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Glorantha might be what Lago's looking for, here. The gods are distant and powerful, but if you don't like them or what they did, it's possible to take on their role during historical events and change what they did. As a result, in-setting legends are less 'what the gods did' and more 'what powerfu...

I admit the mechanics of it are a mystery to me, but surely the ability for arcane masters to bind forces more powerful than themselves is a grand old tradition of smoking, charred corpses.

Is there a chance of failure?

Numbers! Oh, wait, I'm coming back for this post because I like it. I'd argue that 4e went for both answers 4 and 5. We don't have the explicitly enormous earthquakes or whirlwinds, but they can do things that can't be explained by just physical might... the grappling fighter, for example, can just...

Hi Welcome Thanks! I came because I regularly make an effort to discuss things with people who radically disagree with me, and some fellow goons mentioned the '4e Critique and Rebuttal' thread, which seemed like a nice place to have some of both. There seems to be a lot more of the one than the oth...

I didn't claim you made up needing to camp, or a light. I claimed you made up a smug DM sitting at the other side of the table, saying, "Your radiant holy flames generate neither light nor flame, MY ADVENTURE IS UNASSAILABLE, bu fu fu fu fu." I mean... who would do that? And who would play...

FatR wrote:

Mystic Mongol wrote:
Instead of repeating yourself, could you reword your assertion, or find a clearer way to explain it?

No. Whether you are unabe to comprehend clear English, or just pretend to be, that's not my problem either way.

I'm beginning to feel downright unwelcome!

No one is saying it isn't OK to get supernatural power from swords except the Martial Power Source and the proponents of the Fighter class. 4e D&D claims that you should be allowed to contribute at epic level when people are taking upon themselves the mantles of dragons and gods with nothing mo...

I still don't understand why it's alright to get supernatural powers from books but not from swords.

I mean, they're both things.

I love how you 4ons shift goalposts. So I'll just repeat - the purpose of any RPG, and particularly a rules-heavy RPG is to minimize this: Ultimately, role playing is a form of expression, guided primarily by the dungeon master. Ultimately he defines the world's rules and primary assumptions. Diffe...

Tide of Battle Bane Guard Class Feature Usage::At-Will ✦ Shadow, Melee weapon Action Type::Immediate Reaction Melee Weapon Trigger: You shift at least one square or damage an opponent with an attack. Effect: You may Mark an opponent you can now reach. This mark lasts until ended by a sav...

Benjamin Franklin, unless you're referring to some crazy Atomic Robo/Dr. McNinja adaptation, isn't a player character suitable for heroic fantasy let alone high level heroic fantasy. Just making sure people were paying attention. Contrats, you win at reading comprehension! I'm not familiar with Cu ...

Also, you can take your cognitive dissonance in your game about elves throwing blue red fire at dragons and cram it where the sun doesn't shine. What a waste realism is.

How about if I want to have a heroic fantasy character the likes of Fafhard, the Grey Mouser, Cu Chuchulain, Benjamin Franklin, or Elric?

There must be some room for fighters.

The idea of a dude who murders people with weapons is retarded and hurts the game?

The whole point of playing a published system - particularly a rules-heaby system - is avoiding this . Is being a proponent of 4E requires sacrificing one's brain to Ctulhu, or something? Erm. I'm a little lost. Are you really arguing that the purpose of a rules heavy RPG is to remove the interacti...

I think we have very different playstyles, then. I always have a long-term goal for my characters, and 3e makes it easier to achieve those goals because it has a well-defined game world. Well, now I'm curious. What type of goal is typical for one of your characters? If it's helpful, I've also playe...

FatR wrote:I do love how 95% your "counterargument" entirely boils down to arguing semantics.

Semantics are important.

A day without semantics is like a horse's head afloat in vacuum.

Okay, but what does he plan on accomplishing in his adventures? What are your character's hopes and dreams? Is he already wealthy or powerful? If so, why is he adventuring? Although of noble birth, he is not particularly wealthy himself. Although he would not admit it in front of the lowly humans, ...

And Darwinism instantly disproves Mystic's defense. Mystic says: There's no need for any *rules* about what powers do out of combat, even basic stuff like whether radiant damage illuminates a room or fire powers ignite combustibles. Obviously any DM will realize that you can light a fire with a fla...

Holy crap... there are more of them! How rude. I haven't even brought out my radical beliefs. Now Let me tell you a story of a paladin who had holy strike. An ability that ignites his weapon in a holy flame. He could not light his campfire with his holy flame, he could not light his way in a dark t...

The story (as I'm sure I will be corrected on shortly) is that Mr. Trollman set about showing how shallow 4e classes were by making a complete, balanced 4e class, from level 1 through 30, in two days. And indeed, there is now a Baneguard class, with full complement of powers, written out in more or ...

Oooh, I know that one! Fighters get interesting powers and play a vital role in controlling the battlefield that can't simply be replaced by a summon. When a fighter crushes his way through the front line scattering his opponents like chaff to mark and base the enemy artillery, suddenly that archer ...

Be fair, it's the cloying feeling of self-righteousness. It's warm and soothing, like swimming in a deep pool of limeaid.

Be fair, we bash Trollman for a lot of the stupid stuff he says! The Bane Guard's just a hilarious example. See:I'm sure Frank can answer this one himself, SASS/Wacky mod challenges/1000 dollar chair/Mangosteen/etc and 4e being less popular than 3.5/3e(of course its' more popular than pathfinder)(we...