The Gaming Den

This is not going to be a popular opinion around here. I actually think you're arguing in good faith, Doctor Loggins, so let me attempt to explain. The Den consensus (if such a thing can be said to exist) is that mechanics must create the desired flavor of the game, not the reverse. The key is that...

actually we've already been over that HP is not actually a measure of physical health because that'd be ever so damaging to verisimilitude. it's an abstraction of any number of things; plot armor, parries, dodges, scrambling to safety, et cetera. but most definitely not a measure of physical health...

Environmental and trap damage exist for a reason. What edge case are we arguing now? Are we herding the monsters down a corridor to check for traps? Yes, there is. What kind of pussy goblin king gets killed by a single arrow? Any of them? No. I mean "stroking the players' fragile egos with a c...

Kay!

The thing about the autodamage abilities is that they're still abilities that you have to choose over taking something else, and they still take actions to use. When you have a finite number of actions, your choices make a difference. Outside of combat, nothing has HP as it's not relevant. When the ...

I am? /tg/ did that? I never go there.

They're arguing RAW only oberoni fallacy magic tea party.

Sorry, you're right, I had missed it in the huge shitpile that are each of his posts. how arguments actually work You haven't made any points. you are going on Ignore. learning disability And that's just from this page. It's hard to give my full attention to an argument made by someone so insufferab...

name_here wrote:Okay, the point you are missing is that you can't have a fight against minions in a sandstorm that slowly damages everyone, which is totally a scenario that is fun, interesting, and used.

The point that no one made. Am I really supposed to do the entire work for the anti-4E people?

I made the point I was arguing, namely that the sandstorm kills minions idea is ridiculous because a) hp don't work that way and b) nothing in the game exists when not being interacted with. The lava I said you could give fire resistance to because to have monsters ready made for any kind of ridicul...

You don't get what the argument was about. I was making one point and you decided that that one point wasn't enough? It's ridiculous to say "this is a problem" and then reject when people say "no it's not and this is why." At the end of the day, you judge a system based on the me...

Novembermike wrote:Wizards can get AOE at wills and it doesn't break anything. Are you sure these issues you have from experience or what?

It's actually Druids, Invokers, Psions, Monks, Sorcerers, and Wizards who get at-will AoEs at level 1.

So you are aware that HP isn't an exact measure of health, and that as such their only having one hit point means they only have one hit point in combat with PCs, so "sandstorm kills all minions" is a shit argument which is disingenuous at its core. Which is what we were actually talking a...

I copied and pasted it from the last time you saw a joke.

You could have saved many words by just saying "I don't understand jokes."

Sure, it starts with talking about it, then everyone has my little pony avatars, and then the mods gets disgusted and ban everyone. I'm actually quite looking forward to it.

What the fuck? How did the my little pony shit infect this place too?

That would depend on the nature of said encounter. Specifically: when the PCs are not present. They're legit if you want your rules to actually be a representation of how your world works. Rules for any game are absolute shit for being a representation of how the world works. They can be good for p...

I think it goes by where you are in the game, but I can see kings etc being level 1 if they're not going to be expecting to be in combat. Divine right of kings doesn't mean they can actually bring divine wrath down as long as people believe they can. I agree there could be a better system, but I don...

I'll do you a favor and ignore the parts of your post which are complete bullshit. I'll go ahead and cover one of the criticisms you claim is legitimate so you don't have any more posts with which to pretend your numbers reflect reality: minions Minions have one hit point. In combat. This is so they...

I'm not super concerned about skipping the dice roll, but I'd be much happier with the outcome of a plot event if I knew that it would actually be feasible in the setting. There are lot of things that would work in real life that don't work in D&D, and people who make plot events without consul...

I have a mission for you Doctor. Go back in the thread, before Darwin and your Troll squad invaded and read the posts. If you can form a solid argument based off of what you read there (quotes included) then a proper discussion can be had. If you CAN'T do that and you're going to rant about how we'...

Encounters with NPCs aren't strictly needed unless the NPC is performing some important function. If NPCs have stats, you can compare their ability sets. Then you can just figure out the probabilities and roll a single die. I just choose the more interesting outcome. It's the same thing but I don't...

Getting you panties in a twist because people on the internet don't share your opinons is pretty lame. Go get some fresh air and find a woman or a good book to curl up with. I'm taking care of an ill fiancee and our daughter. This conversation is just one of the many things I'm doing at the moment,...

That the ridiculous ire you have here for 4E is based on willful misconceptions and gross misinterpretation of the rules. The reactions to the marketing campaign are nothing short of ridiculous, tantamount to saying you can't change anything without it being a direct insult to the players of previou...