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You haven't addressed these things, just ranted after quoting them. Do you think these behaviors are morally OK for a person to decide to do? Yes or no? Okay, we'll play this game again. You lost last time. -play through a scene they don't want to play through just to get a mechanical advantage Yes...

You haven't addressed these things, just ranted after quoting them. Do you think these behaviors are morally OK for a person to decide to do? Yes or no? -play through a scene they don't want to play through just to get a mechanical advantage -create scenes or characters which you don't want to play ...

You never said that was a justification for anything in the post. But let's keep going: A player who likes playing a musician and has cool ideas about how to roleplay can already do that , and the rule add zero tension because it's a next-to-zero risk for a small reward (as you keep assuring us). T...

you are equating: A) Someone who wants to play a diplomat in a TTRPG (an inoffensive goal), discovers that under the game's rules the best way to be a diplomat is to also be a musician (a peculiarity of the game), and has his diplomat be a musician (an inoffensive act). No. Strawman, it's "…an...

If you're trying to argue that all rules fall under this general category of "if you abuse it, you're an asshole" then we go back to you being a subjective asshole for holding other people to hidden standards. How is that hidden? (In any way that, when you meet someone you don't immediate...

We get your intent . That's fine. We're pointing out that intent does not translate into mechanics. There is a gap between the activity you want the rule to enable and encourage and the range of play it actually permits. Also, you very explicitly wrote the rule on your blog for the purpose of provi...

First: Bullshit. I call shifting goalposts. Yet, being a stupid person, you forgot to say why. What kind of a game designer - or gamemaster - are you if the players have to go through the game never knowing when they're going to offend one of your unwritten player tests-of-character and get kicked ...

The music rule is the same. There is a good use of it and a bad use. The bad use reveals an assholery that was always there. What, pray tell, would the good use actually look like? Because so far every use has been unappealing to you. A player who likes playing a musician and has cool ideas about h...

Seriously what the fuck, you're the one who wrote kazoo bonus in the fist place. If diplomats picking up the kazoo is so horrible why did you write a rule that incentivises diplomats to pick up the kazoo . Because (duh) there are lots of fun and good things that can come of it, too, not just abuse....

And yet the rule exists, and the assholery of the first baseman is not only permitted, but sacrosanct. If you don't want to encourage assholes in the game, you shouldn't have rules that explicitly encourage and protect asshole behavior.. It sounds like you didn't read what you're responding to. The...

In sandlot baseball, the first baseman is allowed to talk to a runner on first. This means that if the runner on first has a child that dies in a car accident, the first baseman is allowed to taunt the runner with this fact during the game. In many cases, the first basemen has every incentive to do ...

Prak_Anima wrote: I'm genuinely interested in what an actual game is like in his group. I imagine it's a lot of dice-associated MTP,

Nope. We do games with a lot of fictional-positioning-based problem solving and awesome drawings of unicorns.

the people who want to accumulate the tiny bonus even if they don't want to play a musician and roleplay musician-situations are assholes. As are the people who demand that rules be made to account for these assholes. Surely you'd agree that if the bonus for playing a musical instrument were suffic...

The people called terrible match the following logic. 1: They imagine that cheap bonuses will be accumulated by players. 2: They don't understand that "real players" do not accumulate bonuses. 3: Because the only characters who would play a +10 to kill everything kazoo are played by folk ...

Wait, the relatively small traffic of the Den results in a spike on his blog traffic? Ouch, I guess that says something unfortunate about how many fans/readers he has. I didn't say it spiked you illiterate wad. I said I saw the hit coming in from the Den. Any links coming in just after midnight (wh...

Koumei wrote:Pretty sure he just has Google alert him every time his name is mentioned,

Of course not, moron, you send traffic to my blogspot, I see the hit. Duh.

so the realistic character in a game with Zak's small instrument is going to have a small instrument if they ever expect to do any amount of social interaction. And if they fail their roll, then they just have their buddy, who also has an instrument, give it a shot. . Again with the bizarre fantasi...

If any of you really believe any of this stuff and think you can rationally defend it instead of just talk smack, you should come out and say it.

Otherwise, hang here in your forum dedicated to crunchy games defending the objective superiority of crunchy games to each other.

Peace out

Sure, player A might say 'If I play a really stirring emotional passage on my ocarina can I get a bonus on my Diplomacy check', and we know Zak S will say yes. And if player B says, 'if I stick my tongue down her throat and get her really hot, can I get a bonus on my Diplomacy check', and we know Z...

Kaelik wrote: False Premise, that I would want to have sex every night.

Wow, you really are boring.

So in other words you were exposed for the first time to some of the most fundamental and basic ideas of RPG rules design... ...and you manage to make statements about them that clearly indicate you've not really mentally grasped them. Latching on to misunderstood and misrepresented tangents instea...

It's quite obvious you're not learning anything , given how much you choose to read and internalize from what people are saying. So I can only assume you are trying to skewer your own behavior. You (foolishly, disgustingly, revealingly, unfortunately) assume a lot. I've learned a great deal here--b...

Yes, Kaelik can be a little belligerent at times -- I think everyone can agree on that. It's kinda what he does -- there would be something severely wrong if he wasn't. However, the "asshole scale" and "knows-their-shit scale" are completely and totally independent of each other...

SCRIVENER " I tried abiding by Zak S's rules, in not assuming anything, not attacking or insulting him " ""Your rule makes everyone a whore"? " even though he began by attacking me," You said that--why woudn't I attack you? " " Because you rule turns ever...

Yeah I pretty much quit. At this point Zak is splitting split hairs to argue for what I can only assume is the sake of arguing. He's already admitted that his "solution" only works when he's running it Incorrect. I say it would not be a flaw if it only worked if I ran it. But there are li...