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The fact that 4e was higher then pathfinder on the amazon best seller list comes to mind...or do you not accept that? You have yet to have actually shown that. so...a game would be a failure if it had unrealistic expectations regardless of what it sold? Yes, but the problem lies with the expectatio...

Argument from anecdotal evidence (my friends think 4E is cool) point to when I said I KNEW that 4e was a huge successes because of anecdotal. I may have said I THINK It was, but that does not matter because when someone ways "think" that MEANS he knows he has limited, possibly unreliable ...

Leress wrote:

ah the unnamed fallacy that is the worst one.

Which one did I or someone else not name? Or incorrectly attribute?

unless you are going to name one there is no point in mentioning them at all.

its just as much a waste as telling people what your feelings are is.

MGuy wrote:Guyz we have a thread for this guy. Let's keep the infection there and not spread it around again.

must not let someone question the groupthink after all

I know for example that when someone assumes that a company is acting perfectly I should NOT point out that they are making a mistake because humans are not perfect. No one is assuming that the company is acting perfectly. Just not assuming that they are fucking gits. I also know that 4e failed, no...

Then they should point out WHY, unless of course they just like to feel smart by insulting people. For one, you didn't answer FBMF 's question . So, instead of spouting to me why ye didn't answer it, or re-explaining the response in that quoted post, answer the question(s). In this case, I've no in...

I am serious about that list, I want a way to post here without everything getting derailed when I point out, what are to me, obvious problems. I know for example that when someone assumes that a company is acting perfectly I should NOT point out that they are making a mistake because humans are not...

Yes, we all have seen your ole song and dance. As I said, no one is confused, but more importantly, no one is impressed by it. Again, people have told you why and you've casually dismissed it. As opposed to what? having all my opinions formed in a vacuum that can easily be changed by facts found an...

Well, that's all well and good. People aren't calling you and idiot 'just' because they disagree with you. They are calling you an idiot because you are being willfully ignorant. Then they should point out WHY, unless of course they just like to feel smart by insulting people. And as I said, people...

MGuy wrote:Well, that's all well and good. People aren't calling you and idiot 'just' because they disagree with you. They are calling you an idiot because you are being willfully ignorant.

Then they should point out WHY, unless of course they just like to feel smart by insulting people.

Um Pike, I have no idea how you're confused about why people are making fun of you. I'd suggest going back and actually reading the parts where people tell you straight up why and how you're an idiot. As a reasonable adult when someone has a view I disagree with I tell them why, using my reasoning ...

I think that you will find the collective opinions of the Denners to vary wildly, except for one unifying factor: their ideas will be at least somewhat intellectually defensible. Yours are not. really? I find that hard to believe, or is it that you all are forcing out everyone who disagrees with yo...

so why is it THIS time it MUST be our fault even though before it was not? Because ALL OF SCIENCE agrees that it is, and that this warming event is essentially unique in it's rate of change. CO2, which humanity produces by burning fossil fuels, at a rate not seen for at least hundreds of millions o...

really? you doubt the idea that we lack thousands of years of global records? out of curiosity what was the average temperature of texas on march first 405 AD? This question shows a profound lack of understanding of 'average temperature'. What is the 'average temperature of Texas on March 1st 2015'...

And of course even if I were to accept the idea that 4e failed..that does not mean that it would have succeeded if it was 3.75 like everyone around here wants. It could have turned out worse because of the large number of people who wanted something new. Sure - a 3.75 could have turned out worse. B...

4th edition D&D was a pile of ass. That much was obvious from a bit before the books actually got released. Paizo was offering a straight 3e D&D plus good art. Even without the name, it was obvious that they were the horse to bet on. K and I tried to get them to make a better 3e, but even &...

Dude what the fuck. 4e failed, it failed in the eyes of the very company that produced it. We know this because WotC canceled the fucking gameline in record time in favor of a new edition that jettisoned 4e's supposed "innovations". That edition also sucks but that's neither here nor ther...

please do not lie to people, let along using my name to do so I KNOW On average the temperature is rising slightly, that is not what I dispute. Some yes, the problem is that I KNOW we lack enough data to plot really term trends. I KNOW it would be like if you only had the weather data for Texas for ...

Why do people keep getting confused by this? I said I THINK it did, that means I think it is probably via limited possibility unreliable data. were this not the case I would have said I KNOW. When I said THINK that means I do not KNOW. when I say FEEL that means I have no data, just like everyone e...

I can understand why he said it, there ARE advantages to having overlap between classes but unless you make class features way more important then they were in 3e or 4e then powers are what defines classes so they need to be different (for the most most part) if you want classes to be different. Int...

Okay, Capt. Pike, we know that you FEEL 4E was a success, but do you THINK 4E was a success? Game On, fbmf yes I do, Okay, perfect. This is consistent with what you said earlier: Where is this data? the amazon best seller list, anecdotal evidence enough for me to think it did, but no more. Emphasis...

Goddamn it, I know I was stupid for clicking to read your post. I got sucked back in since it was a different thread than the 4e sales, but you're the exact same kind of dishonestly-stupid here as there. "Why didn't they spell out the problems"? They did. In that very fucking text block t...

so....you would trust what anyone at Wotc said about anything no matter who it was? they must love you in advertising. you might have a point if we could put numbers to the likelihood, if we KNEW there was a 95% that 4e was a failure then sure you would have a point. but we do not. We lack the data...

Pike, have you read the studies? On average the temperature is rising slightly, that is not what I dispute. Some yes, the problem is that we lack enough data to plot really term trends. it would be like if you only had the weather data for Texas for November and nothing else about the earth's data ...

I feel bad responding to two of your posts one after the other, but I feel this needs to be said. Get some fucking perspective . You are at least as much a stranger to all of us as Rich Baker is to you. Why should anybody care what your opinion is? It could be because you have 'industry knowledge' ...