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From the errata file? Ok, that's an official ruling from WOTC. So, sure, I was 100% wrong about the application of bonus feats in 3.5. I apologize for calling/insisting better rules knowledge than I posses was wllful ignorance.

Treating both of those as exception clauses leads to an unsalvageable contradiction. It turns out one of those lines has to be an exception, and one of them has to be redundancy which matches the general rule. So which is it? Good point. That was stupid on my part. This was also retarded, because t...

Post One: 5:05pm Accusations of willful ignorance, quotes regarding selection of feat exceptions Post Two: 7:58pm: Assertion that we’re discussing Pathfinder,, statement that Prerequisites are the default (should have specified for selection and use, but did not), challenge to present 3.5 rules Post...

DMReckless, here is your first post on the topic of bonus feats: Some pretty willfully ignorant shit going on here regarding bonus feats. Ranger: "He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites." Monk: "A monk need not have any o...

Seriously, however, I'll admit your interpretation of the rules is at least as legitimate as mine. I'd likely "Houserule" an addendum to the Psion bonus feats to include the same phrasing as the Wizard bonus feat rules and call it a day. 10th level rogues can party all they want. in 3.5. B...

And because it’s fun to parse out quotes and tell you how wrong you are too: You are an idiot. The default rule for feats is that you have to meet the prerequisites. The default rule in 3e for bonus feats is that you don't have to. We know this because is fucking says so in the rules for bonus feats...

Stuff, some insightful, some wrong (I bolded select or use in my SECOND post), some carefully selected and parsed quotes about stuff I clearly labelled as interpretive and not RAW Ok, so 10th level rogues and Psions starting at level 1 gain bonus feats in 3.5. The lack of specific verbage regarding...

ishy wrote:A bunch of completely true things.

Thanks, I missed those.

Nope, just as I thought, I have not stated that you needed the prerequisites to use a bonus feat. Hell, my initial post here included two quotes about how rangers and monks could break the prerequisite rule for selection of bonus feats. Not sure why people want to deny that 3.5 makes a distinction b...

My arguments regarding class distinctions were an attempt to dig at the intention of the rules, since bonus feats are not defined in writing. What makes you believe that there is any specific intention of the rules? If you are talking about Pathfinder, it's quite possible that the only intention wa...

So to be clear, you are admitting that you were completely 100% wrong earlier, and the rules for bonus feats in the MM apply to all bonus feats including ones given by classes, and you were completely 100% wrong to whine about willful ignorance in applying those rules to class bonus feats, because ...

The rules also don't say that you can get bonus feats at all. The rules on feat selection clearly do not apply to bonus feats, because if they did you wouldn't be allowed to have any of them because the rules for feat acquisition only give you the feats for leveling up. The rules say you get bonus ...

The thing that is cool about the Rogue is that they get a selectable bonus feat with no preconditions. Rather than having to select one off a short list or having a to select a feat they meet the prereqs for (or in the case of the Fighter: both), they simply get to choose any feat in the game and a...

Now, here's a better fucking argument for why rogues and psions need to meet the prerequisites: being able to use feats and being able to take feats are two separate functions.The general rule is that you can use a bonus feat without prerequisites, but you cannot take a bonus feat without the prere...

Hey, found a couple more rule sets for bonus feats in the 3.5 srd: Bonus Feats A psion gains a bonus feat at 1st level, 5th level, 10th level, 15th level, and 20th level. This feat must be a psionic feat, a metapsionic feat, or a psionic item creation feat. These bonus feats are in addition to the f...

I agree, I can't, but the fact that Fighters and Rangers both have clauses saying whether they need to meet pre reqs has no bearing on whether Rogues have to meet pre reqs. It's not willful ignorance to read the only rules on bonus feats that exist , and then apply them to bonus feats. It is willfu...

DMReckless wrote: Then, the wording of the Ranger and Monk entries swing the opposite way, specifically calling out that you do not need to meet the prerequisites. .

Why would they need to do that if "bonus feat" meant that you don't need to meet the prerequisites....

I am willing to admit that the wording of the Fighter and Wizard Bonus Feats entry in 3.5 gives more credence to your interpretation by insisting that the prerequisites need to be met. Then, the wording of the Ranger and Monk entries swing the opposite way, specifically calling out that you do not n...

You are correct in that since I was reading a thread about Pathfinder, I made the mistaken assumption that Pathfinder was what was being discussed, rather than 3.5. Sorry for that. But, yeah, Pathfinder's monster feat entry is: "Feats: The creature's feats are listed here. A bonus feat is indic...

Fighters, rogues, ninjas, no such fucking clauses. The term is pre requisite as in REQUIRED. You are an idiot. The default rule for feats is that you have to meet the prerequisites. The default rule in 3e for bonus feats is that you don't have to. We know this because is fucking says so in the rule...

Some pretty willfully ignorant shit going on here regarding bonus feats. Ranger: "He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites." Monk: "A monk need not have any of the prerequisites normally required for these feats to select th...

Half-orcs are products of rape I prefer to think of them as products of cheap back alley orc prostitutes that have to make a living because their husband/fathers/brother have all been killed and their money stolen, and can't be bothered with abortions. Edit: That way they can stay in the game. :raz...

Oh, come on now, how can a game with dials and options not be popular?

This "Conclusion" does not qualify as:
A) Insightful
B) Unique
C) True
D) New
E) All of the above

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