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Roy wrote: You have been caught in at least one lie already.

Really? Where? Maybe you're confusing me with someone else since you can't see over Frank Trollman's potbelly from where you're surgically attached to his prick.

Roy wrote: You have been caught in at least one lie already.

Really? Where? Maybe you're confusing me with someone else since you can't see over Frank Trollman's potbelly from where you're surgically attached to his prick.

Therefore combat maneuvers now are not worth taking - not only the chance of success is not great That actually varies. They severely nerfed sized bonuses (and penalties), so for example where a level 3 fighter with 18 strength would have to roll d20+7 vs a standard ogre's d20+12 (average 22.5) in ...

snip In other words, what you're saying is that a core rules fighter sucks compared to a fully optimized fighter using bits and pieces from every splat book known to man, and because of that, Pathfinder sucks. Gotcha. @Zurai: When Pathfinder comes on the shelves I will give my opinion on it and tha...

If you have to go back and grab an older class in order to get any improvement at all, you aren't getting what you paid for. Where is this coming from? Stupid as the rounds-per-day thing is, the Bard is in all other ways much improved. They lost no other functionality (well, I suppose you could say...

I seriously doubt they'll tell us how many were in the first print run. They refused to even tell us how many people bought Rise of the Runelords, beyond saying that it was way more successful than they projected. I'd guess roughly 25,000 to 50,000, based on the beta download numbers, but that's pur...

The fact that by completely ignoring all the bardic shit that Pathfinder offers you can go make a 3.5 character doesn't make Pathfinder better. It makes it a lying bitch trying to convince people to buy a book they won't even want to use once they have it. You don't have to ignore Paizo's bard chan...

Sorry, you just confirmed my suspicions and likely those of other regulars here. You quote flavor text as justification, you fail to read actual rules and perhaps most importantly you failed to google "Josh_Kablack seeker of the song" Ah yes, because freedom of movement is only useful for...

Perhaps Josh's confusion came from that Seekers of the Song are better off drowning themselves in order to lose a level and choose another prestige class next time? Could be. Like I said, I wasn't recommending the class. Just pointing out that the bardic prestige classes are hardly removed as an op...

The Seeker of the Song in Complete Arcane is *all about* underwater singing. No, no it isn't. It's got nothing to do with water at all. It's about seeking the perfect cosmic melody. "Beyond magic, beyond sound, beyond good or evil, lies music so profound and powerful that even deities quake at...

WTF, dungeonscape? I don't know anyone who even owns that book, hell, I barely heard about its existence. It came out Feb 2007. That had to be one of the last 3.5e products kicked out the door. And that is the new bar by what fighters are to be measured? Sweet Jesus. Dungeon Crasher has obscene dam...

Seeker of the Song?! You're seriously suggesting that there is anything useful in the class about underwater singing!? SO what was that theorized cheese in Combine Songs that makes level 2 worth actually taking compared to just straight bard? We must be talking about different classes. Seeker of th...

Lying? Seriously, it looks like this: Frank: Pathfinder does X. X is self-evidently bad, so Pathfinder is therefore bad. Zurai: Nuh-uh! That's the beta, (ed. note: which they've already sold ). The designers promised that the release version (not the one they already fucking sold ) would be good, s...

But didn't you say that 3.5 sourcebooks don't count previously? So if dungeonscape is out of play, doesn't that make the primary damage engine power attack? I am confused. No. I said that the Golarion Gods and Magic book is not a Pathfinder RPG sourcebook and has no Pathfinder RPG rules in it, so s...

Actually it appears a handwave dismissal is all he needs . He claims fighters are stronger yet admits their major damage engine has been nerfed... just not as badly as they originally screwed em over. Power Attack hasn't been the primary Fighter damage engine since Dungeonscape was released. Nor di...

FrankTrollman wrote:The book Gods and Magic ...

Is a 3.5 supplement, not a Pathfinder RPG one. There are no Pathfinder RPG supplements, currently. Thus, your complaint has literally nothing to do with the Pathfinder rules.

Wow, there's a lot of useless, vitriolic dreck in the OP, much of which is out-and-out false. No. In this case, the "playtest" was a lie. Destructive playtesting was not only not encouraged, it was actively and specifically rejected. The Paizo leadership only wanted to hear about whether p...