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Lich-Loved wrote:
mean_liar wrote:Based on what's been posted, you can still distribute 4e mods, but you can't do it as a defined Fan Site using WotC copyrighted materials.

Basically it only says you can't slap the 4e logo or artwork on whatever you're doing if it mods the rules.
I don't think this is exactly correct. Specifically you see...
WotC Fan Site Kit wrote:does not allow you to publish, distribute or sell your own free-to-use games, modules or applications for any of Wizards' brands including, but not limited to, Dungeons & Dragons and Magic: The Gathering. If you want to engage in any of these activities related to Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition, such use is subject to the Game System License
If you browse to the GSL FAQ, you can glean these tidbits:

<full quotation snipped>

tl;dr:

(0) Nothing in 4th Edition is Open Gaming Content
(1) Your website cannot publish modules using the Fan Site Kit; you must use the GSL.
(2) The GSL does not cover websites (uh just their content I guess?)
(3) You do not have to use Defined Terms in your product (module for example), but you may find it hard not to do so. You cannot use the definition of "Cleric" to be anything other than the Cleric published under the GSL. You cannot reuse any term found in the rules anywhere with a house rule attached, like the redefinition of the Eldarin fluff. If you start a sentence on your site with "In this campaign..." and you are mentioning a WotC term, you are in violation of the GSL.
(4) You may not create "interactive products" under the GSL. WotC claims dice rollers are a violation of the GSL.
(5) While staying in the above rules, have fun and spread the word on our products!

This is seriously screwed up. I really have no idea what to make of it, but I don't see how you are allowed to write modules or do anything else under the Fan Site Kit except having "user communities for our games [to] enjoy sharing information, experiences, and opinions about our products" or, in other words, the Fan Site Kit allows you to "advertise for us" if you want the shorthand version.
The only flaw in your analysis is that you don't have to sign up for either the GSL or FSL. Yes, the way they've set it up, if you agree to play by WotC's rules, you can never post new content or modifications on a web page.

However, if you forgo WotC's licenses and the ability to use their logo, the situation's not as cut-and-dried. In that case, it becomes a question of whether your content is "fair use" or if it even infringes on the copyright. Apparently, you can't copyright game mechanics, only the specific words and graphics used to present them. Thus, there's enough wiggle room that Kenzer actually published a 4e adaptation of their Kingdoms of Kalamar setting without ever signing the GSL.
Frankly, I'm shocked that people haven't talked about the insidious "Sedition Act" portion of the FSL. Basically, you're not allowed to say anything "disparaging, libellous, or inaccurate" about WotC products. Now, I can understand why they wouldn't want to lend their logo to a site called "1 Million Reasons 4e Sucks," but what about mechanical critiques of specific powers or the coming 8 million revisions to skill challenges? Or people who point out crazy linguistic quirks like "you are your own enemy"? After all, WotC has already adopted the position that any crazy issues with wording are the fan's fault for "misunderstanding" the designers. So is all hard-headed rules analysis now going to be labeled "inaccurate" even if it comes from people who play and generally enjoy 4e?

BTW, has anybody seen any reaction to this from the 4rries?
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Absentminded_Wizard wrote: BTW, has anybody seen any reaction to this from the 4rries?
One tried to say something, but I couldn't make out the words as their mouth was wrapped around Andy Collin's penis. Call it a Cockney accent if you will.
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Koumei wrote:
Absentminded_Wizard wrote: BTW, has anybody seen any reaction to this from the 4rries?
One tried to say something, but I couldn't make out the words as their mouth was wrapped around Andy Collin's penis. Call it a Cockney accent if you will.
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Technically, it's already illegal to say something inaccurate about a product or person if that is also disparaging. It's called Libel. But the way they wrote it means that you can't write a negative review of their product whether or not it's accurate!

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Crissa wrote:Technically, it's already illegal to say something inaccurate about a product or person if that is also disparaging. It's called Libel.
Are you familiar with a site called Wikipedia? Or fuck it, Fox News do that on a regular basis.

Just saying, it looks like Libel is one of those things that is seriously never enforced.
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Probably because a lawsuit can be expensive and the republic... I mean Fox News can definitely take the barrage and make it into a long drawn out mud fight if someone even tried. If brought to the wiki they'll just delete the post and let some one else redo it if it ever became a problem.
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Libel gets involved in our courts every day. It's just not usually criminal law, nor is it really serious. As in, legally serious. Because they can imply it wasn't on purpose or whatever.

Instead of going, 'oh wev' if you want it to mean something, you have to be involved and make it means something.

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Nice write up. Further proof that WotC (or at least the legal staff) is completely clueless.
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That’s a nice link, and there’s another link about the old TSR days and … WTF!!!!!! Shit that’s the company I worked for. I must have been too busy coding Empire Builder and Operation Market Garden to realize that we had (and blew) the entire T$R account.
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  1. By asserting that these publications infringe on TSR trademarks and copyrights.
  2. By forming a license-arrangement with Multi-Player Games Network (MPGN), granting MPGN explicit permission to make net- authored TSR-related material available via anonymous ftp .
  3. By strongly urging all other anonymous ftp sites carrying AD&D related material to stop doing so.
  4. By advising all individuals wishing to make their AD&D- related works available to the general public via ftp, to upload said materials to MPGN and attach a statement in which the author asserts that only TSR or MPGN may distribute the submitted work.
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