To be honest, if I trusted CGL that announcement might mean something for me.
Might be wishful thinking, but as long as Topps dont say they awarded CGL with the licence, I keep my hopes up...
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I figure that's going to be deleted soon by the mods, so I went on and saved it.Stahlseele wrote:well, this here sounds more like it:
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?s ... t&p=942139
Such a good piece of caustic snark and mocking the press-release double-speak.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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You figure wrong there i hope.Maxus wrote:I figure that's going to be deleted soon by the mods, so I went on and saved it.Stahlseele wrote:well, this here sounds more like it:
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?s ... t&p=942139
Such a good piece of caustic snark and mocking the press-release double-speak.
The Mods over there are generally not known to simply delete postings.
That's the classicbattletech.com forums you are thinking about . .
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Shrapnel wrote:TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
The mods on DS do not delete personal attacks, or other stuff that violates the ToS. They usually do not even mark it as questionable, nor declare bans or warnings to anyone else but the person banned or wanred.
Which means you don't know what they consider violations of the ToS, and what not. Which is a rather inefficient way to handle moderation, and prone to abuse.
Which means you don't know what they consider violations of the ToS, and what not. Which is a rather inefficient way to handle moderation, and prone to abuse.
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What are the upcoming releases, btw?knasser wrote:Well it does mean one thing, unfortunately. It means that CGL have longer to pump out any PDF filled with any scraps of material they have to hand in a short-term moneygrab. I fear the consequences for Shadowrun cannon.FrankTrollman wrote:That announcement doesn't mean anything. They've been under review for a license extension since March. They may well get one, and indeed an extension until August has been on the table for some time.
Though to be honest, if CGL do keep the licence, I doubt I'll be buying anything more from them. I'll just stick with the existing 4th Ed. materials.
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Whether you think they are doing a good job or not, they've been pretty vocal lately, stepping in with "Stop! This stuff is not okay" postings. Now I guess there could be a bunch of silent warnings we don't hear about, but I think it's fair to point out that there seem to be enough public posts to make clear what they don't approve of.Fuchs wrote:They usually do not even mark it as questionable, nor declare bans or warnings to anyone else but the person banned or wanred.
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Mine still carries 1st and 2nd stuff, a good repoertoire of 3rd and all of 4th O.o
both in german and english.
both in german and english.
Welcome, to IronHell.
Shrapnel wrote:TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.
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There are several game stores in my area and they all carry whatever is currently in print. The ones I frequent offer rewards programs that are comparable cost savings to shopping on Amazon.
I'm at a point where I've become thoroughly unimpressed with CGL's Shadowrun output. And it's not due to a lack of good ideas from writers; the good ideas seem to get buried and are forgotten. Running Wild was decent as a critter book was long overdue but Vice and Seattle 2072 are barely warmed-over rehashes of old setting material and offer nothing in the way of rules, NPCs or gear stats. From what I've read of Corp Guide and 6WA it's more of the same. I'm not a fan of 3rd ed. but at least their location books offered stats for border crossing barriers, exchange rates and such.
It's sad when the product you most look forward to is a GM Toolkit as that's stuff that (theoretically) should make my life easier. A polished PACKS would have been really handy.
I'm at a point where I've become thoroughly unimpressed with CGL's Shadowrun output. And it's not due to a lack of good ideas from writers; the good ideas seem to get buried and are forgotten. Running Wild was decent as a critter book was long overdue but Vice and Seattle 2072 are barely warmed-over rehashes of old setting material and offer nothing in the way of rules, NPCs or gear stats. From what I've read of Corp Guide and 6WA it's more of the same. I'm not a fan of 3rd ed. but at least their location books offered stats for border crossing barriers, exchange rates and such.
It's sad when the product you most look forward to is a GM Toolkit as that's stuff that (theoretically) should make my life easier. A polished PACKS would have been really handy.
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I get the sad feeling that if CGL retains the license that SR will keep going down in quality for at least this edition.
That, combined with an absolute refusal to push for new blood in Battletech, seems to doom a continuing CGL to a slow demise. They may make profit for years, but that profit will most likely dwindle slowly as people drift out of shadowrun and battletech.
That, combined with an absolute refusal to push for new blood in Battletech, seems to doom a continuing CGL to a slow demise. They may make profit for years, but that profit will most likely dwindle slowly as people drift out of shadowrun and battletech.
It could really go either way. With their licenses secure they go slow down on the straight to PDF books and take more time to let ideas marinate. If they can put smarts before greed they'll get around to paying off most or all of their free-lancers, this will be necessary if they want to attract new talent. If they where really smart they'd orchestrate a dénouement that saw Coleman have his power/authority scaled back with someone with a a better reputation coming in to helm.
That's what I'd like to happen, but I don't think they'll do much to mend fences other than bide their time. I think they need to do something to inject life back into their franchises though, and that can either work out or end in disaster, so it should at least be interesting for the next few months.
That's what I'd like to happen, but I don't think they'll do much to mend fences other than bide their time. I think they need to do something to inject life back into their franchises though, and that can either work out or end in disaster, so it should at least be interesting for the next few months.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but preview pics of the hardcover for the Sixth World Almanac are up on their facebook page:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- ... 4139_n.jpg
Note that the book shown standing up isn't a final print copy, but just a cover stuck on the proper number of blank pages to give you an idea.
If they stall for long enough, they might be able to get it out before they go down (if they go down).
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- ... 4139_n.jpg
Note that the book shown standing up isn't a final print copy, but just a cover stuck on the proper number of blank pages to give you an idea.
If they stall for long enough, they might be able to get it out before they go down (if they go down).
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Why would CGL change it's development habits?
BT isn't going to change. Period. It's still going to need a mentor to get into the game, and the general point of view judging from their official forum is that n00bs need not apply.
As for SR, you do realize that they've effectively canned most of the significant, skilled writers for Shadowrun and have brought on Battletech writers to fill the gap?
Saying that the quality of SR product is going to dip isn't a prediction, it's such an obvious fact that it borders on axiom.
Any time you take people who weren't interested in a setting and make them generate details for that setting, the quality will suffer compared to talented, motivated writers who enjoy working in that setting.
I don't see an opportunity for SR changing the quality of it's output until at *least* the next edition.
BT isn't going to change. Period. It's still going to need a mentor to get into the game, and the general point of view judging from their official forum is that n00bs need not apply.
As for SR, you do realize that they've effectively canned most of the significant, skilled writers for Shadowrun and have brought on Battletech writers to fill the gap?
Saying that the quality of SR product is going to dip isn't a prediction, it's such an obvious fact that it borders on axiom.
Any time you take people who weren't interested in a setting and make them generate details for that setting, the quality will suffer compared to talented, motivated writers who enjoy working in that setting.
I don't see an opportunity for SR changing the quality of it's output until at *least* the next edition.
The evidentiary hearing is tomorrow, so I'll have something to look forward to reading when I get off of work.
The evidence trotted out by both sides should be fun, too. Wonder how CGL will try to put a good light on things; they admitted financial wrongdoing from about day one, and gave us the delightful phrase 'co-mingling of personal and company funds'. Which does sound so much nicer than 'theft' and 'used the company as a piggybank'.
The evidence trotted out by both sides should be fun, too. Wonder how CGL will try to put a good light on things; they admitted financial wrongdoing from about day one, and gave us the delightful phrase 'co-mingling of personal and company funds'. Which does sound so much nicer than 'theft' and 'used the company as a piggybank'.
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
You will be waiting for a long time. The bankruptcy case has nothing to do with the co-mingling or anything else that LLC did. It is about what is owed to who and whether CGL can pay it off or not. That is why the announcement of the license renewal earlier this week was so important.Maxus wrote:The evidentiary hearing is tomorrow, so I'll have something to look forward to reading when I get off of work.
The evidence trotted out by both sides should be fun, too. Wonder how CGL will try to put a good light on things; they admitted financial wrongdoing from about day one, and gave us the delightful phrase 'co-mingling of personal and company funds'. Which does sound so much nicer than 'theft' and 'used the company as a piggybank'.
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I can pretty much guarantee that it will come up. One of the key questions is whether the company is in the "habit" of not paying its debts. Which IMR totally is. But in any case, the plaintiffs would have to be idiots to not bring up IMR's history of funneling large amounts of money to Loren's personal projects while debts went unpaid for years at a time.Taharqa wrote:The bankruptcy case has nothing to do with the co-mingling or anything else that LLC did.
It's extremely relevant to whether or not IMR habitually avoids paying its debts. Which is a much more important question for purposes of bankruptcy than whether they have debts or are able to pay them.
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Yes. But it's not very standardized, so precisely how much of a late penalty they owe is up to the Courts to decide without a formal agreement on the matter.Korwin wrote:Another question, around here (Austria) if you dont pay your bills, you get another bill with "Verzugszinsen" (late payment penalty?).
Is there something like this in the USA?
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Depends primarily on your contract. Basically, if you're the party with less bargaining power (i.e. an individual) then yeah, there's tons of late penalties. But if you're a company like IMR employing some hapless freelancers, probably you don't have any late penalties. If someone actually hauls your ass to court and gets a judgment against you then I think interest starts to accrue on that judgment, but that doesn't really matter because if someone gets a judgment against you, you fucking pay it immediately or you lose your house.Korwin wrote:Another question, around here (Austria) if you dont pay your bills, you get another bill with "Verzugszinsen" (late payment penalty?).
Is there something like this in the USA?
EDIT: Having been ninja'd by Frank, it's true that courts tend to have a lot of discretion in these matters.
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Is there any word on an update? How did the hearing go, in general terms?
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!