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Midnight_v wrote: In ww2 for instance there was a Transhuman, a Deep One, a promethean with the walk of flame talent, and thier associate terrorized variaous axis forces. They did this thumbing thier noses at the vow and were justly killed in a clash with a sect of the sons of marduk led by a revenant.
Who is this? At first I thought you were referring to the Creature Commandos, but on closer inspection that's not right. My comic fu is weak, I guess.
Omegonthesane wrote:a glass armonica which causes a target city to have horrific nightmares that prevent sleep
JigokuBosatsu wrote:so a regular glass armonica?
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Midnight_v wrote:In ww2 for instance there was a Transhuman, a Deep One, a promethean with the walk of flame talent, and thier associate terrorized variaous axis forces. They did this thumbing thier noses at the vow and were justly killed in a clash with a sect of the sons of marduk led by a revenant.
Some people will get who that is, some won't but the cookies are cool y'know?
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EDIT: That's what I get for being a DCtard and not reading the whole thing.

But quite honestly, Sundown works, as it succeds on the ''plug it seamlessly in a phrase test''. (ex: Life after Sundown is actually pretty horrible and extremely dangerous.) Though, I must say, I find myself liking After Sundown more than the single word title.
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Dur, that should have been obvious. Sorry.
Omegonthesane wrote:a glass armonica which causes a target city to have horrific nightmares that prevent sleep
JigokuBosatsu wrote:so a regular glass armonica?
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Marvel's Invaders
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Nebuchadnezzar wrote:<image>

Marvel's Invaders
Which between captain america and wolverine is a deep one then?
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Namor.
Omegonthesane wrote:a glass armonica which causes a target city to have horrific nightmares that prevent sleep
JigokuBosatsu wrote:so a regular glass armonica?
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Yes it was The invaders... and bravo to you, but the point isn't who I was refering too. The point is, how people react once they realized I'm referencing something they should know. Having references of the such to all kinds of events and characters from history and pop culture history throughout the fluff portions of the book make keep people interested. Now I'm not saying thats all there should be but having cookies is nice.

I hope thats not too far off tack but I"m taking this world to be a scenario in which all those old horror flicks are real in someway. Which I gather from frank with the references to the Santos and the Blue Demon movies... etc. Thats pretty awesome in and of itself.

Oh and by the way the revenant who was leading a Sect of the Brotherhood of Marduk who lead to the destruction of the invaders would be "The Red Skull".
Hailing from the southwest U.S. lots of hispanic kids were afraid of La Llorona and hell El Cucui too... but I had no Idea what they were talking about till I got older. Tying it to disaperances all around the rio grande just fits so well, and you thought it was the cartels. . .
Lastly, has anyone seen "Big Man Japan"? Interesting take on the kaiju issue, but yeah one of the thing we could contribute is a "history of the world... After Sundown".
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Yeah, Hellboy is a Troll, which is why he is so much more powerful than the rest of the team. The rest of the team being a Deep One, a Baali Witch, a Golem, an Icarid (who has Empty Body and gets around it with an Iron Suit because his player is a cheater), and a Bagheera.

Anyway, it seems that "After Sundown" polls well, so we'll go with that.
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The issue I think is about things with prior existence that are extremely related or which have objectionable content. The movie "Dead of Night" from 1945 is like a million times bigger than the indie RPG could ever hope to be. But that movie isn't a problem, and when I thought that was the only issue I was willing to go forward with that name. The deal breaker is that there's an indie RPG that people currently maintain with that name. If there was an indie RPG from the 80s under that name that no one currently produced, I wouldn't care. Just as I don't care about the zombie tower defense flash game or the fantasy adventure MUD.

The Nocturna issue is different. I don't want anyone to look up more information about this game and decide that it is about dominance/submission and pony sex. Nocturna was never that big, and I think it was defunct, but I just don't want the association.

So "After Sundown" was an online mafia RPG that seems to have ended in like 2006 or so. That does not bother me at all. It's not anyone's current indie horror genre RPG project, and if anyone ends up there doing more research and decides that the game involves mobsters threatening each other over numbers rackets, that's OK.

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I wanted to like "Big Man Japan". It seemed like it was so close to working. Concept was great, but... h ard to get into.
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JigokuBosatsu wrote:I wanted to like "Big Man Japan". It seemed like it was so close to working. Concept was great, but... h ard to get into.
The two things that pull me into this is essentially Transhuman: the point of no return and Leviathan: The tempest. I've never played a whitewolf game outside of a a few Larps that I got invited to at a club that was specifically leased out by the larp: WoD group, and the resolution was paper rock scissors.
However... BMJ really catpures those concepts pretty well and makes them something that could be interesting to play as in a real game.
Further... I just saw a movie named "Limitless" a transhuman story at its finest. I suggest it, its worth checking out.

So... in history, what happened "after sundown"... not in pop culture but in actual history. Violations of the vow... wars/assassination/famous figures? For shiggles, I'm going to throw out there Edgar Allen Poe was something. . . transhuman/deep-one/mi-go, it doesn't really matter the fact that he died from some unknown cause is enough to clump him in.
If indeed were allowed to add stuff like that.

Also... how does one eat a Mi-go and attain immortality, is it the swarm, or the host or what? The Marduk Group are a certainly compelling group in this work of fiction. Especially if they're resourceful and interconnected but independant cells. Gaining immortality is a odd situation for those dudes as then all the others might be after them but if one leviathan could make several more if they go all thanksgiving dinner on "it" might be more reasonable in the sense of any given cell dropping off the map suddenly. All of them becoming leviathans would likely do that.

Finally in a naming frenzy, what about as a name for one of the other organizations in the game:
"Obelisk"
or
"Monolith"
Replacing, the glass walkers, the hollow ones, black spriral dancers or at least Pentex.
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FrankTrollman wrote: That sounds great actually. The number one thing such a project needs is black and white pictures with a lot of shadow and pale women wearing a lot of buckles looking pensive. So less This and more like This. In general it wants to be subtle stuff with realistic style (possibly lightboxed from magazine articles or pornography) people with hints of supernatural goings-on like black pools or shadows cast with apparent wings or monstrous shapes.

Some things can be straight photo collaged or light boxed without alteration. The original Nosferatu went public domain a long time ago, and you can flat out use iconic images like This and This.

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Well, I couldn't check the forum on the last few days because work was hell this week.

I managed to do some images while I was doing some other things and was getting ready to finish them and uploading them tonight, but then I saw this post and decided against it.

If subtle is what you want, I'm probably not the man for the job. I mean, I hate the whole Boris Vallejo style and I love the aesthetics of old movies, but I was born on 88 and raised on the 90's. My whole approach to subtlety is "don't draw too many explosions or blood on one picture". I try to fight against it but I can't really help it. I also hate lightbox tracing and tend to draw everything from my head.

So... I made a test so you can see the way I handle things, it's only one image. That way you can tell me if you think it doesn't go against you design goals for the book.

If you like it I can finish 9 more vampires for tomorrow, and my idea was to get at least 10 images of each playable character type, 3 of each NPC "race" and 20ish random setting stuff (crossovers, action scenes, random goth stereotype pictures, etc). I think it would take me around 3 months to finish, maybe sooner, depends on how much free time I can squeeze between my two jobs and school.

Here is the picture, low res and jpeg so I can host it so quality is lower than I'd like.

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Hope you like it, comments are welcomed. If it doesn't work for what you are trying to do, just tell me and I promise I'll only cry a little.

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Midnight_v wrote:Also... how does one eat a Mi-go and attain immortality, is it the swarm, or the host or what?
Eat the delicious honey inside :drool:

(I assume you just let yourself get 'infected' by the insects)
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I like that one, yeah. The mouth is really weird looking, and it could probably refer to Nosferatu fairly well. Anyway, After Sundown needs a new introduction section. Here's my first draft of it:

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After Sundown

I hope you like nightmare worlds!

After Sundown is a cooperative storytelling game that tells stories in the realm of horror. Players take on the roles of monsters out of horror movies or the humans who oppose them, while one of the players takes on the role of the MC – a combination referee, narrator, and roleplayer of last resort for antagonists and minor characters in the story.

Cooperative storytelling can be done without any products at all, as with collaborative writing or Cops and Robbers. After Sundown provides structure and conflict resolution in the form of an established world and story, as well as with a set of mechanics to determine the results of actions with the help of six sided dice. In this way, players of After Sundown can bypass many of the hangups of both collaborative fiction and Cops and Robbers: most notably the “I shot you/ No you did not” problem. It is hoped that the backstory and established characters of After Sundown will be sufficiently evocative as to give players of protagonists and MCs ample launching points for stories of their own.

The materials in this book are open content. You can print copies, trade electronic copies with friends, modify the files, or produce derivative work. If you like After Sundown enough, go ahead and “buy” a pdf. But if you'd rather trade it around as a torrent, that is fine too.

Index
  1. Index and Introduction
  2. Terrible Places
    • The Mortal World
    • Maya: The Dreamlands
    • Limbo: The Dark Reflection
    • Mictlan: The Gloom
  3. Running the Game
    • Basic Mechanics
    • Missions and Goals
    • Character Generation
  4. Monstrous Society
    • Bands
    • Syndicates
    • Cults
    • Antagonist Organizations
  5. Skills
    • Skill List
    • Backgrounds
    • Using Skills
    • Using Attributes
  6. Getting What You Need
    • Montages
    • Interviews
    • Arguments from Reason
    • Arguments from Rhetoric
  7. Danger
    • Actions and Reactions
    • Attacking
    • Movement and Escaping
    • Weaponry and Hazards
    • Wind and Water
    • Healing
  8. Monsters
    • Lycanthropes
    • Vampires
    • Witches
    • Animates
    • Leviathan
    • Transhumans
    • Nonplayable Monsters
    • Spawn Monsters
  9. Magiclist]
  10. The limits of magic
  11. Universal Disciplines
  12. Astral Sorceries
  13. Infernal Sorceries
  14. Orphic Sorceries
  15. Devotions
[*]Character Options and Motivation
  • Resources and Obligations
  • Master Passions & Frenzy
  • Driving Passions
  • Ethical Taboos
  • Ideology
  • Merits and Flaws
  • Character Advancement
[*]The World at Night
  • Ciudad de Mexico
  • Houston
  • Kuala Lumpur
  • New York
  • Paris
  • Prague
  • San Francisco
[*]Persona non Grata
  • People
  • Animals
  • Places
  • Things
  • Writing Nonstandard Material
[*]Points of View
  • Fiction
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After Sundown: An Introduction

To write a story together, everyone must be on the same page.

One of the primary purposes of a cooperative storytelling game is to provide a foundation upon which stories can be told. The other is to provide a framework by which disagreements about how a story should progress can be worked out in an acceptably impartial fashion.

The setting of After Sundown is a world like our own would be if horror fiction had an element of truth to it. There really are monsters in the night and other worlds full of nightmarish horrors that bleed into the mortal world. But it is also set in a world which is decidedly modern, and that means modern sensibilities. The game's backstory sees history and mythology through a modern interpretation, and adopts horror tropes that resonate with modern audiences. Many horror tropes are timeless – blood speckled claws in the dark is pretty much always going to be scary – but many other horror elements are merely puzzling, and are going to be downplayed. The modern audience is not particularly worried about miscegenation or communist invasion, and those elements of old horror fiction are deliberately excluded from their appropriation into After Sundown.

Monster Means Many Things
A story is finite in length. To have anything in it, an infinite number of things must be excluded.

Ask a dozen people to describe vampires or witches, and you'll get a dozen different answers. And that is a tremendous problem for cooperative storytelling, because everyone is supposedly trying to add to the same story. Stories told in After Sundown may have vampires in them, but these are not the vampires written about by Stoker or Rice, they are the vampires in the stories told by your gaming group set in the realm of horror described in this book. These vampires have an aesthetic that is informed by horror movies, comic books, and both punk and goth subcultures, but they are necessarily different from the monsters described in any particular other work of fiction, and they absolutely do not sparkle.

It is important to note that you can't take everything from myth and legend and cram it into a story. I'm not saying that your story will be completely incoherent, although of course it will be. I'm saying that you are literally incapable of doing that. The Vampire Book is an encyclopedia of just vampire lore from various cultures and it is literally over nine hundred pages long. And we're not talking about character backgrounds or rules text or any of the other crap that we know eats up word count like you wouldn't believe. We're talking about just a bare list of facts by mythical origin. And it is still nine hundred pages. And while it is quite comprehensive, there are still vampire facts it does not contain. So it is imperative not only that you acknowledge that you're going to have to cut things down to a manageable amount, but also that you establish specifically what is off limits and what's fair game before you start telling a cooperative story. It is unreasonable to expect that other people sitting down at the table with you think to the same mythic source material when you mention even something as specific as Frankenstein's Monster – the creature in the book was wicked fast but the Boris Karloff rendition was a lumbering brute.

So we're paring things down. A lot. We don't have, need, or even want a bajillion clans of vampires, or fifteen tribes of werewolves. There should be few enough flavors of things that all the players can remember what the differences between them are. Ideally, people should be able to play whatever supernatural guys they want, sort of like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen; but in practice you have to put explicit limitations on what is part of the story or things get all weird. Like with Martian invasions and stuff, what was up with that? A story that doesn't have specific exclusions does not truly have any specific inclusions. It's not really a story at all at that point, it's a mess.

The base concept for After Sundown is that you are roleplaying a classic Universal Studios Monster and you engage in narrative driven dramatic role playing of both horror and intrigue. The Universal Horror Films were, if not documentaries, at least “dramatic reenactments” of real events in the shared world you will be telling stories in. The Invisible Man, The Wolfman, The Creature from the Black Lagoon, and of course Dracula were all real people, and the player characters can be creatures like them. And the players in After Sundown can use monster movies old and new for inspiration. But remember that the monsters in every piece of fiction are different, and that while you are telling stories After Sundown that it is the descriptions of monsters in this book that break ties. Werewolves can transform voluntarily when the moon isn't full, Golems resist fire, and Vampires do not sparkle. Not because these creatures are like this in every movie, but because that is how they are in the stories told with the After Sundown cooperative storytelling game.

Things You Need To Play
Assuming flippant things like 'food, water, and shelter' are out of the way.

After Sundown has one or more players roleplaying as protagonists in the story, and a single player acting as MC. The bare minimum number of players is therefore two, and there is no specific upper limit to the number of players a game of After Sundown can accommodate. It really does seem to work best with between 3 and 6 total players though.

During the game, every single player is going to want some method of keeping track of things. This can be done with pencil and paper, post-it notes, or electronically using laptops or PDAs. Different players prefer note taking and result tallying in different ways, and I won't tell you what format your character has to be kept in. A character sheet has been provided in this book, so if you want to print it out and write on it like we did in the old days, that's fine. Speaking of this book: it is distributed in electronic format, and you'll probably want to reference it (or at least have the capability to reference it) during play. That means that someone will need to bring their laptop or e-reader to the game, or print it out and bring a physical copy to the game instead. You have the right to make as many printed versions of this book as you want for non-commercial purposes, so do what you feel is best.

The actual mechanics of the game require rolling several six sided dice at once to resolve actions. I suggest having at least twelve at the table. But honestly, the more the merrier. Game play is sped up noticeably if each player has their own dice pile in front of them, and some people even like making pre-made piles of different sizes so that they don't have to count dice before rolling. So I wouldn't hazard a number of six sided dice that would serve as a maximum.

Further, character advancement normally uses draws from a deck of cards (either poker or tarot). Since this is character advancement, it is entirely acceptable to have the card draws happen between sessions or even the beginning of next session. So the game is entirely playable for an entire evening even if no one brought a deck of cards. But eventually, you'll want a deck of cards as well. If cards are for whatever reason unavailable, remember that virtually any computer has some sort of solitaire game loaded on it, which will among other things provide an acceptable substitute for any number of card draws.

Since you're going to be telling cooperative stories, you'll want some way to get diagrams across to the other players. This can be done with an erasable mat, or a dry erase board, or a pad of paper in the middle of a table. But it can also be done by sketching things on a computer, provided the screen is large enough for everyone to see.

After Sundown can also be played over the internet by players who each have a computer. You can roll real dice and report the results over internet chat (text or video), or you can use various automatic dice rollers. You'll still want an equal number of players, but they need not be in the same city or even country as one another.

The Role of the MC
Someone has to have the last word.

Every player except the MC plays a specific character who is a protagonist in the ensemble fiction that the cooperative storytelling game generates. This allows deeper roleplaying and lends itself to the use of first person pronouns when describing action. However many protagonists there are, there will still be more characters that need to be written into the story, and the actions of these characters are determined by the MC. Note that I say “determined” rather than “played” by, because none of the antagonists, allies, or indifferent background characters are literally the alter ego of the MC. The MC has a very big job in telling the story, but is also the least partisan position, and so it falls to the MC to make snap judgments about what rules apply or what numbers to use for different situations. No rule system can ever be completely comprehensive (there was a comprehensive mathematical proof to that effect by Gödel), and when you run into a situation that the rules cannot resolve, the MC should act as an impartial arbitrator.

How much plots for stories are generated by the actions of the protagonists and how much are generated by external events will vary from group to group, but in either case the MC is heavily involved. Even when the other players are producing action and dialog sufficient to drive storytelling, it still falls to the MC to determine what responses are engendered in non player characters (NPCs) or the world around them. Playing the MC is demanding, and some groups rotate the responsibility.
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Luvah wrote:Here is the picture, low res and jpeg so I can host it so quality is lower than I'd like.
It's kinda... vertically stretched seeming. It's so tall it probably doesn't even fit on a page properly without scaling it down at least some or just cropping off a part.

But the eye is super awesome.
FrankTrollman wrote:*stuff about the MC*
You talk about The MC, but you don't mention what MC is short for in After Sundown, if anything.
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The "monster means many things" section doesn't fit with the rest. It's written to an audience who has played RPG before ("stuff you know eats page count") but the rest of the intro is addressed to someone who has never played an RPG before. Also the exact sentence about trimming down the types of vamps and weres is technically accurate, but feels weird without the WW context.
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I am doing some sketches to prep for a few illustrations.

I was gonna do a nezumi in a pinstripe suit mobster garments until I realized they do not look have wererat humanoid forms. Oops.

I am plotting to ink:

A ventrue (strigori?) vampire sitting amused at a desk with chick beside him.
A nosferatutroll coming up behind a rentacop. [edit: a nosferatu doesn't need to sneak, and it looks like there is already interest in depicting them anywho]
A werewolf beating the crap out of someone/thing (ghoul or troglodyte) on the hood of a car.
A mi-go host releasing a swarm from his mouth.
And I really need to throw in some topical sexay pics as well.


Unfortunately my limitations are such that I will have to ink by hand, scan, then polish with a shitty freeware graphics program. That and I am either working or traveling every night for a while.

My usual style is sketchy with lots of lines. I will be retraining to draw more solid and dark. Wheee.
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Lokathor wrote:
FrankTrollman wrote:*stuff about the MC*
You talk about The MC, but you don't mention what MC is short for in After Sundown, if anything.
MC is a convenient thing to do a find-replace on, but it could mean Master of Ceremonies, as it traditionally does.
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Orion wrote: Also the exact sentence about trimming down the types of vamps and weres is technically accurate, but feels weird without the WW context.
The new context is a definite rejection of several different modern vampire setups. Twilight sparkles are mentioned and emphatically rejected twice, for example. The sentence stands for people who have no idea what White Wolf is, but for people who do know White Wolf it stands in as a "This is not White Wolf" sentence without violating trademarks.

I ran it by someone who didn't know what World of Darkness was, and they called that out as especially funny because of the use of the word "bajillion".

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Terrible Places
When you say 'the world' do you mean 'Earth', or 'where we are now'?

After Sundown takes place in a world with many similarities to our own. A world which has the same countries and cities as the ones we are familiar with, and which is therefore one which you can research by reading about actual places in history and physical space. But it is also secretly full of magic and evil and beasts and slashers from horror fiction. It also has connections to three coterminus magic worlds full of monsters and danger.

It is in short: a game that takes place in the realm of horror rather than the realm of the real. You're playing a cooperative storytelling game, and the genre is horror. It may be action-horror, horror-mystery, horror-comedy, or even horror-romance, but it is always horror.

A Life in Horror: The Good and The Bad
Interesting fact: The Final Girl trope emerged shortly after young women became a major component of horror movie attendees.

Life for the common man in After Sundown is actually pretty horrible, and extremely dangerous. Life in After Sundown is life in a horror movie. Or rather, it is a world not unlike Earth would be if all the horror movies were real in different places and at different times. This means that body counts are extremely high, and it is very difficult to get help. This is good news if you happen to be the Bogie Man, but really bad for anyone looking for a life of vaguely normal properties. Here are some important things to remember:
  • The Police are no help at all. Heavily infiltrated by cultists and secret societies, the police in After Sundown are astoundingly ineffective. Sure they will occasionally bring down a killer, but the vast majority of crimes go unsolved. Many crimes don't even get investigated, especially if something supernatural is afoot.
  • Telecommunications are Shoddy. Sat Phones aren't generally available in the realm of horror. Cellphone coverage cuts out constantly at inopportune moments. Most people still have landlines, but regular telecommunication wires go down frequently and are out for days at a time. The inability to get a call out of a building or town isn't unusual, that kind of thing happens a lot in After Sundown.
  • People Don't Travel Much. It's not weird for people to not know what goes on in the next town over in After Sundown. Things are just more dangerous, and people keep to themselves more.
Keep this in mind when you're planning your nights in the realm of horror. Life is less connected to other life in the realm of horror and it is much easier for dangerous elements to thrive in such an environment.

That being said, it is important to remember that most horror movies begin with people thinking things are pretty normal, and end with something of a return to normalcy as well (or do they?) So it's not like Jason is running around the streets murdering people left and right. Indeed, while the death rate from serial and mass murder is large enough in the realm of horror to compete with traffic accidents or opiate abuse, the fact is that you're still more likely to die from cancer. Supernatural creatures remain hidden and the president of the United States is openly a mundane human. A vampire can't just flash their fangs to get free entry to a movie theater, and indeed they could be in a lot of trouble if they flash their fangs in a public space of any kind.

The Four Worlds
Things are crawling in all over the place these days.

A very common trope in horror is the inclusion of additional worlds that are full of terror and danger. This is very useful, since of course having an extra world around allows you to fit things into the narrative that would be otherwise very difficult to fit into the Earth. Demon armies, forgotten cities, and strange and deadly plants can be piled to the sky and beyond without otherwise upsetting the world provided that they were never in the world in the first place. Furthermore, the idea that monsters can come in sideways is by itself a wonderfully useful notion for the horror genre, because it severely undermines the concept of safety in a fortress or locked room.

That being said, it is also true that there are a lot of alternate worlds to be had in various stories. Too many alternate worlds to be anything vaguely approaching something workable. And so it is that as a compromise we have cut things down to three alternate realities:
  • Maya: The Dreamlands Think of a combination of the untamed and deadly dreamworlds of Jumanji or Where the Wild Things Are. This is where dreams and wild things go, but since this is the realm of horror the dreams are often as not inspired by Freddy and the beasts are likely to be the deadly and destructive monsters.
  • Limbo: The Dark Reflection The best rendition of the Dark Reflection is probably in Silent Hill. It's a world very much like our own but scoured with demonic powers. Ash falls from the sky like rain and everything looks abandoned or scorched. Demons prowl the Dark Reflection.
  • Mictlan: The Gloom The best rendition of the Gloom is of course in Nightwatch, which even calls the place that. It's a cold and oppressive world where darkness presses insistently upon the light and heat of travelers. Powers of death leak in from every crevice and extinguish fires and the lives of small animals. Blood hungering insects and ghosts scour the Gloom.
Each of these worlds have two levels. One can go to the first level where interaction with the mortal realm is still possible, and one can go to the deeper level where it is not. In short, like in Silent Hill it is possible to straddle the worlds where you can still open and close the door of your house and see what's on the stove but demons from the Dark Reflection can attack you. It's also possible to be all the way in the Dark Reflection, where things are a terrifying hellscape and nothing makes any sense. While in the Shallows of any of the worlds, the celestial realities of Earth appear to hold sway – the Sun rises and sets while wind and rain appear on schedule. In the Deeps, it becomes apparent that one is quite likely not on Earth, as the sky itself betrays one to be on an alien rock.

Maya: The Dreamlands
Everybody's got to dream, young girl. If you don't dream, ya go crazy.
Go crazy? Don't mind if I do!

The Dreamlands are a wild and inhospitable place filled with fetid jungles and monstrous beasts. Overgrown with dreadful, implacable, and nightmarish life in all world correspondences – even those in the far north and south of the planet (though it still gets wicked cold at extreme latitudes). No one really knows if Maya is a construct of subconscious thought or the manifestation of a distant world that exists independently of our own. What is clear is that Maya is connected to the dreams of the frightened and the suffering. The goings on in this world seem somewhat unreal even for those who have traveled to it in the flesh, and the native inhabitants are strange and otherworldly even by the standards set by other supernatural creatures.

The Deep Maya does not even have climactic similarities with its Mortal World correspondences. It boasts floating rocks and sideways waterfalls. And monstrous beasts. And psychic plants. There are few reasons for the sane to want to go to the Deep Maya even though it is wondrous and beautiful in its alien and unforgiving fashion. The weather is pretty similar to that of the Yucatan, with dense cloud cover and hot, driving rain falling almost every day. On those rare times that the night sky is visible, it is clear that the stars above are unfamiliar. The sky boasts no sun or moon, so where precisely the light comes from in the “daytime” is a matter of speculation.

Getting to Maya
If you die in your dreams, you make me a sandwich.”

Perhaps the easiest way to get to The Dreamlands is to go to sleep. While not even a small fraction of dreamers are transported across the barrier, it is nonetheless possible for virtually anyone to make the passage while they are sleeping. A dreamer's physical body remains where it is while the consciousness projects into Maya. If the person dies in the Dreamlands, the body dies as well. If the body dies, the dreamer is lost in Maya indefinitely and becomes a Jalus. There are places where the barrier between Maya and the sleeping mind is weaker. Generally speaking, places with horrible personal murders are more conducive to slipping people across into the nightmare realm. Impersonal deaths, such as natural disasters and battles make the barrier more difficult to cross. Physical gateways, though rare, also exist. They are always circles of something, and one crosses the boundary by entering and then exiting the circle. Circles of mushrooms or trees are fairly common as gateways go, but theoretically it could be a circle of anything. In any case, these gateways only function when the moon is visible. Sorcerous means of entering the Dreamlands are found in Astral Sorceries.

Things to do in The Dreamlands
We shall build a tower that shall reach to the stars.

The majority of inhabitants of Maya are neither human nor derived from human stock. Massive monsters stalk the lands and even the plants themselves chitter with an otherworldly malevolence. The Evil Plants in Maya speak to travelers only infrequently. Some can speak telepathically, but they mostly choose not to do so. The Giant Animals generally simply attempt to devour anything they come across. While delicious (if alien) fruit and clearish water are available year round and in great quantity, The Dreamlands have the least expatriot civilization from the Mortal world of all the other worlds.

Not everything in this dimension is from another world however. Sometimes tribes of Jalus congregate together. And for reasons unknown The Marduk Society has been growing an Arcanotower in the Brasil Correspondence for some time. They patrol that area and keep it mostly clear of Giant Animals, but at least some Evil Plants seem to be allowed free reign to enter the transdimensional compound.

Limbo: The Dark Reflection
You can go to hell!
We can't. Not alone...

A long time ago, some people fucked up really bad and parts of the human world started to fall into the fires of The Dark Reflection. Nobody's quite sure exactly when or what - some say that it was the cinders of the atomic fires of Oklo, while others say it is the ancient truth contained in the myth of Prometheus and the Scriptural references to Gehenna; some that men merely merely opened the doorway into the world of ashes; others say that it was men that started the unquenchable fire that begat The Dark Reflection.

Practically everything found in Limbo was first wrought by humans, and then destroyed by fire. Everywhere in the Dark Reflection there are always remnants of human habitation, and everywhere in the dark reflection, there are always smoke and ashes. Yet it is exceedingly rare to encounter men still living nor open flames still burning. The ground is littered with sooty broken glass: smashed bottles, shattered windows, and shards of obsidian lie on every surface. The dusty surfaces seem dull, and rarely cast a reflection. When they do, they seem more of a window back to the mortal realm, a cruel reminder of where the onlooker is and where they could be. The sky is perpetually obscured by oppressive smoke and rain falls only infrequently (in many places less than once a year) and it is black with ash when it lands.

The Dark Reflection knows neither day nor night, and languishes eternally in a twilight illumination that comes from between one and four vaguely definable lighter patches in the sky that may well be suns or moons. Limbo is home to what the unenlightened would call demons, ifrit, and shinma. All of them endeavor merely to survive long enough to escape. Survival is a brutal matter of scavenging amongst the cinders and preying upon the weaker residents. Escape is more difficult, never more than a temporary respite: for each of the dwellers of The Dark Reflection carry the seed of the unquenchable fire within them, and any who escape are doomed to one day start a blaze which will drag another piece of the human world back into The Dark Reflection.

Getting to the Dark Reflection
Fire doesn't cleanse, it blackens.

Natural passage in and out of the Dark Reflection is almost always through fires or mirrored surfaces, and it is the latter possibility that gives it its name. Sometimes when something is burned, a rend between the mortal world and the Dark Reflection is left in its place. This is most likely to happen when the burnt thing in question was a source of security such as the wall of a family home or school, or a child's blanket. Once a character has been to the Dark Reflection even once, these portals appear far more commonly in their presence for the rest of their lives. Those who have been to the Dark Reflection often find themselves avoiding mirrors for fear that they will find the profane staring back at them.

Sorcerous means to enter and escape the Dark Reflection can be found in most Infernal paths. Leaving the Dark Reflection is difficult for magical creatures. Whether traveling by sorcery or through a gateway, moving from the Deep to the Shallow or from the Shallow to the Mortal World requires one to make a make a Resistance Test (Social if attempting to traverse a summoning, Mental if attempting to pass through a mirror gate, or Physical if attempting to navigate a burnt rend in space) with a Threshold equal to their own Potency. If returning to a known place, the MC may award a bonus of 1-5 dice to the escape attempt depending upon how familiar one is with the location. Summoning rituals and special gate preparations can add additional bonus dice in addition to allowing for an Escape Test at all. The property of being difficult to leave is called “The Gauntlet,” and it can render the Dark Reflection a near inescapable prison for the very powerful. For example, The King With Three Shadows has a Potency of 10 and suffers from a name binding that further raises his escape threshold to 15. The locations of truly epic firestorms have left certain portals that waive these restrictions for supernatural creatures of a Potency equal to or less than their Rating.

Things to do in Limbo
It's being invaded by the Otherworld. By a world of someone's nightmarish delusions come to life.

The majority of natives of the Dark Reflection are Fey and Demons. These beings are generally pretty uncooperative and rarely are on good terms with any of the major Syndicates. The King with Three Shadows has a strong presence in Limbo, and his Syndicate has substantially more territory than any other there. World War II created copies virtually intact of several cities in Limbo, and many of them are used by one or more supernatural groups as bases of operation. The firestorms of Dresden created a dusty and scorched copy of that place in the Dark Reflection which is even now used by members of the Covenant who refused to accept the defeat of the Axis as a base of operation to train a demon army to someday retake the human world. The Rape of Nanking left a level 5 portal to a reflection of the city of Nanjing that is mostly used as a smuggling port by the World Crime League.

Not everything in Limbo is a supernatural creature. There are some real humans there, and they are sad people. Food is scarce in the Dark Reflection, and the nightmarish imagery is usually enough to drive those who fall into Limbo to madness and depravity. Most become demonic pawns. However, demonic pawn or not, a human has no Potency and can pass through the narrowest of portals. All too often, by the time they reach an egress they are already committed to serving dark lords by kidnapping other humans from the mortal world and then returning to the land of their torment.

Mictlan: The Gloom
Some people believe that when you die there is a wonderful light. As bright as the sun but it doesn't hurt to look into it. All the answers to all the questions you want to know are inside that light. Truth is... there is no light. Only darkness.

The Gloom has been around forever. Some say that it is space itself and the big bang created the human world as a tiny mote within the Gloom, while others say that the Gloom is the force of entropy to which all things shall return in The End. Whatever the case, The Gloom is supernaturally cold and dark. Nothing grows here and everything that lives within The Gloom is hungry all of the time. All the plants are carnivorous and all the insects are parasitic.

There are no visible stars in the Deep Gloom. There is no sun in the morning, and no glittering lights in the night. There may be a Moon in the sky, but since it is as fixedly black as anything else in the sky it's a matter of debate. Rain never falls and the seas are deathly still. But water and other things rise up out of the ground at unpredictable times through a process called “welling”. If you want light in Mictlan, you need to bring it yourself, and even then the illumination cast by a lamp or flashlight is disappointing, as if the air itself were a voracious shadow.

The Gloom is home to what the unenlightened would call ghosts, wendigos, and zombies. All of them endeavor to draw prey in from the human world where they may drain the blood, life, and warmth from it to feed their insatiable hungers. The true horror is that such victims do not rest in peace, but instead rise driven by the need to recover the blood, life and warmth that was taken from them - in an ever growing cycle of futility.

Getting to Mictlan
Have you ever been killed before? I'll be back in a minute.

Portals to The Gloom are called “wells” and each one is filled with darkness. The most effective portals are holes in the ground filled with shadow and water – literal wells. However in some cases a well will appear which is just a hole filled with water or shadow. In addition, pretty much everyone goes to Mictlan just by dying. Upon death, a person becomes a ghost, but in most cases they don't seem to last very long. While some ghosts (especially the ghosts of Luminaries) kick around pretty much indefinitely, this being the realm of horror it seems most likely that ghosts simply unravel and fade into oblivion. The land of the dead is indeed a super depressing place. Sorcerous means of entering The Gloom are found in Orphic magic paths.

While in the Deeper Gloom, all Ghosts are solid, able to be seen and to exert force upon objects. In the Shallow Gloom and to an even greater extent in the mortal world this is not reliably true. So it is that many Ghosts essentially cannot get anything done in the mortal world even if they escape Mictlan through a Well. So while there is no barrier to exit The Gloom as there is for the Dark Reflection, the primary residents mostly do not leave even when they can.

Things to do in The Gloom
It was their hands that built this city of ours, Father. But where do the hands belong in your scheme?
In their proper place, the depths.

Soulless bodies sink into Mictlan fairly regularly, whereupon they are animated by the hungry energies of The Gloom and become wandering zombies. The dusty plains of Mictlan are pretty dangerous for travelers because of this. The Gloom has been around for a long time, and walls erected don't seem to fall down often in the cold stillness of the land of eternal night. Over the millennia many people have found time to erect buildings and even cities. Many of these stand vacant, mute testament to the fact that long ago someone cared enough to build them. However, some are still in use. The Shattered Empire has several such cities, usually corresponding to places where no city or even point of interest stands in the Mortal World. Others are less ambitious, where the Giovanni have a castle in the Gloom Shadow of Venice.

There does not appear to be any specific fixed limit to how long a Ghost can persist in The Gloom. So even though most last only very short amounts of time, it is entirely possible that any particular historical figure still exists somewhere in Mictlan. Some Ghosts, unhappy with the idea of wandering through a frozen desert for all eternity have taken the time to put up buildings and even societies. The largest such Ancestor City is at about the same place as Beijing.

Being In Between Worlds
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

In the real world, there is pretty much only one universe you can exist in, and so being in multiple different worlds can be hard to imagine. Here are the states of being one can have:

In the Mortal World
This is precisely like being in the universe is for those of us outside the game. A character in the mortal world is safe from attack from things in other worlds, and cannot be physically affected by them. Normal people cannot perceive or touch things in other worlds while they are in the Mortal World. Some disciplines allow characters to perceive, but not touch, things that are in the Shallows of other worlds. So for example, if your character has Necromancy, they can perceive goings-on in the Shallow Gloom, but they are still safe from physically being harmed by creatures or objects there. When a character moves completely from one world to another, they come out in the nearest place that they can fit, which in some cases will be several meters away from their relative location in the original world.

In the Shallows
The Shallows of any world are very similar to the Mortal World, and appear to be a compromise of sorts. While a character is in the Shallows, they are essentially in what appears to be a copy of Earth with strange decor, more monsters, and a lot less people. The basic lay of the land, including placement and layout of buildings, is almost exactly the same, although there is generally speaking less stuff.

In the Deeps
The Deeps of any world are just completely crazy, and in no way similar to the Mortal World. While there are objects that have been transported or copied from the Mortal World to the Deeps, by and large the Deeps are their own alien wildernesses.

Between Worlds
One can occupy both the mortal world and the Shallows of another world, or the Shallows and the Deeps of another world simultaneously. This usually happens while a character is physically in a Bleed (see below), but may also occur during travel from one world to another. Since floors and tables tend to be in the same places in both versions of the world, characters can usually navigate just fine while perceiving and interacting with objects in both worlds simultaneously. The character will appear to be hallucinating to observers from either reality (who aren't also in the Bleed or whatever), because there are things (most especially creatures) that are in only one world and not the other. An effect cannot extend a character into a solid object in the other world, so if a character is standing in empty space in the Shallow Gloom and there's a big pile of sand there in the Mortal World, an event like a convergence or an ability like Shadow Gate would simply fail.

Existence in two worlds is inherently unstable, and is limited in both time and space. If a character moves far enough from their current position or waits for enough time to pass, they will end up in one world or the other. And which world they end up in is not always predictable (although if the character is in Limbo, they must pass the Gauntlet to end up in more Earthly surroundings). But while a character is between worlds, both prying eyes and bullets from either world can reach them.

Bleeds
There are places where the worlds merge, where a character is literally in two worlds because the ground itself is in two worlds. The experience of this is no different than being in just one world at a time, because in such places there is really only one table in the room. And while said table may be in the style of an Earthly table or a table of Limbo, it will still be a single solid object. Where things get weird is at the edges of the Bleed, where a character inside may see two different outsides. Bleeds have a tendency to oscillate between sending those who leave to one world or the other. Sometimes this is very simple (such as opening a door onto either a blighted hellscape or a normal suburban street), and sometimes it's just plain hard to figure out (such as the difference between a foggy forest and a foggy forest that happens to be in Maya).

Terrible People
Have you gotten a look at the neighbors?

The realm of horror described in After Sundown is not merely the existence of nightmare worlds from which danger constantly leaks in to disrupt suburban homemaking, it also has people in it. People who are major characters and people who are the victims in slasher flicks. Sometimes, these are the same people.

People in Horror: Extras and Luminaries
Do not run upstairs! There is no exit upstairs!

Remember that in horror movies there are a lot of people who serve no real purpose save to be eaten by the monsters. We call them Extras even if they happen to get some lines. These people may be strong, or smart, or beautiful, but ultimately they are doomed. If they get bitten by a zombie they will turn into one of the shambling hordes that our heroes must eventually chop through with a chain saw. They will not get cured and will not turn into leaders of the walking dead. Game mechanically, these people have no Edge score. If they turn into a supernatural creature of some kind they will become a Spawn. These hapless victims will not become the next Dracula, they will always be the horde vampires in From Dusk til Dawn. They will not become Shelly Winters or Sheila, they will join the hordes of deadites and get cleaved through with fire.

On the other side of the coin, there are people in the horror genre who rise to the occasion. Whether they are introduced as bad ass adventurers like Van Helsing or Rick O'Connell, or are “normal people” who rise to the occasion like Meg Penny or Ash, these people have a certain spark of bad assery in them regardless of what they happen to be doing. They are Luminaries, and they have Edge. If they become Supernaturals they become the real deal. They may turn evil but they will still have lines and character development.

This is why characters will occasionally fight their way through a horde of zombies (who are of course all ex-humans) just to try to get a cure for one woman who happens to have been turned into a zombie. It isn't that they've completely lost perspective, it's that the transformation into a monster is a one way trip for absolutely everyone except a reasonably small number of luminaries. You actually can “save” Alice or Sheila if they get transformed into the living dead. There's literally nothing you can do for the rest of the people except shoot them in the face.

The Playable Types

The Universal Monsters have a lot of stuff in there which is not really appropriate for emulation. Sure, Lon Chaney is full of awesome and I have no problem watching his movies, but neither the Phantom of the Opera nor the Hunchback of Notre Dame is especially supernatural. They are both just really creepy guys. On the other end of the spectrum, the existence of space aliens really harms the whole eldritch intrigue thing. So while This Island Earth is a good movie and part of the official pantheon, the Metalunans and Zagons are not going to be part of this. At all.

Which leaves Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, Gillman, the Mummy, and the Wolfman – who all appear in the motion picture classic The Monster Squad, and the Evil Wizard, the Invisible Man, and the Mole Man – who don't. It is of note however that Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, the Wolfman, and the Invisible Man all appear in the equally mandatory movie Abbot and Costello Meet Frankenstein, and there is of course Evil Wizard and Mummy in the substantially less mandatory Abbot and Costello Meet the Mummy. It seems clear that life would go on without Mole Men; but what the heck? We've got Mole Man in After Sundown, we call them Troglodytes.
  • Vampires
    An eternity of melancholy and betrayal is, after all, an eternity.
    The Vampire is a rockstar of the living dead. They drink blood, live forever, and look great in black. Vampires are emotionally attenuated individuals who have to consume metaphorical life in the form of actual human blood. They are parasites whose very existence is a powerful metaphor for the consumptive and conflict-torn nature of the world.
    Exemplars: Dracula. Did we mention Dracula? I mean sure, we can talk about the vampires from Blade or Buffy, and we will even. But all Vampire mythos in the modern world always comes back to Dracula, because he is that awesome. Also-ran to the beast from Nosferatu, because he is also awesome.
  • Animates
    Once created, a work has a life of its own.
    An Animate is an artificial person. Created by unwise science, magic, or both, each Animate is a race of one. They have no peers and no possibility of children. Every Animate is created knowing that their entire people dies with them. It is a lonely and frightening existence. The Animate story is classically one that exists to explore the tragedy of dysfunctional human relationships – whether it be a child scorned by their parents, a lover scorned by the object of their affection, or simply a working person cast aside by those they worked for. The book Frankenstein explores much the same themes as a Bruce Springsteen album.
    Exemplars: Frankenstein's Monster, Rotwang's Robot, Loew's Golem
  • Lycanthropes
    Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night...
    may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright

    A Lycanthrope is someone who is cursed to transform into a rampaging beast when the moon is full or they get excited. There is plenty of mythological basis for shapeshifters who are born with the ability to turn into animals or who have attained the magic powers to do so to protect mankind, but they aren't normally figures from horror stories, and have no place in horror and are not represented in After Sundown. Being a Lycanthrope means that you are a danger to people you love and the furniture around you. You can unleash the beast to rip things to pieces, but lycanthropy is a curse and it is not generally very fun.
    Exemplars: John Talbot, Irena Dubrovna, Yuki Sohma
  • Witches
    Bubble Bubble.
    Witches are people who have learned Magic. In a horror setting, magic is in almost all cases bad. The genre is pretty light on Glinda the Goods and Merlins. Magicians are generally vindictive cackling gypsies, satanic sorcerers, mysterious strangers, and a myriad of other titles both hackneyed and terrifying. They spend a lot more time sacrificing people to gods ancient and evil and a lot less time preparing good children to go to the ball than magicians in other genres.

    Magic that humans can use comes from three sources in After Sundown. There is the magic of Death, which is evil. There is Devil magic, which is evil. And finally there is the twisted sorceries of Nightmares, and that's evil as well. It's not that you can't do good as a magician, you totally can. It's just that the magic itself is evil and using it is dangerous even if you are the virtuous Chandu. The horror movies of the 30s didn't distinguish particularly between people from India and China (both were in “The East”), and we hearken to that slightly by leaving all traditions of magic as variations of the basic three. While a character may well be a voodoo death magician or an Aztec or Egyptian death magician, the magical set is all the same. Death magic is death magic whether you call upon bones with Chinese runes or African chants.

    An important thing to realize is that The Mummy is actually a Witch. That's just how they do immortality. Sometimes it's an immortality where you do evil magic and you look like a normal person (see the 1933 or 1999 The Mummy) and sometimes you look like a crazy corpse in special bandages (like in Bubba Hotep). It really depends. Either way, if you want to be a leftover from Egypt or Aztlan you are a Witch (or a Vampire of course). However, and this is important, the Mummies from the middle Mummy movies such as The Mummy's Ghost and... sigh... The Mummy's Curse where the Mummy lurches around and smashes things – that Mummy is an Animate instead, so pick a schtick and go with it.
    Exemplars: Imhotep, Roxor, Hjalmar Poelzig, Chandu
  • Transhuman
    Just a scientific experiment. To do something no other man in the world had done.
    Humans do not, in general, have supernatural powers. However, in the horror genre there are a number of people who experience an event which changes them irrevocably into something different. Something more. These people generally go stark raving mad, and in not very long. The certainty that they are no longer human causes them to lose sight of human priorities, human morality. While they have become something more, they are also something less.

    The transformational event can be scientific or magical. Or a bit of both. A Transhuman always has an “origin story” which is to some degree unique. The Invisible Man took scientific chemicals. Anck Su Namun simply woke up one day and realized that she is the reincarnation of an Egyptian princess. Ayesha stepped into the mystical flame of life and stepped out an inhuman thing. Whatever the event was, it was the last thing that he or she did as a human, and the reality of that fact is as destructive to the self as the subsequent revelations of the magical world and the horrors which inhabit it.
    Exemplars: The Invisible Man, Mr. Hyde, Anck Su Namun, Ayesha
  • Leviathan
    His face was fish-like.
    Supposedly in pre-Sumerian times there was a great mother of monsters. Her name was Tiamat. Or Vritra. It's not really that important what her name was, because she was killed by a powerful human sorcerer about 4000 BCE. And most of her monstrous brood is gone as well, but not all of it. Some of them interbred with humans and hid their lineage in the darkest corners of the world. They hid from the world of men for millennia, some lurking in darkness and plotting revenge and others merely living their own lives – the ancient conflict long forgotten.

    But that's not really possible now. Things are modern, and there is nowhere to hide. Those who carry the taint of Tiamat's spawn in their ancestry or are cursed with the taint during their lives are both hunted and feared. They are destructive, and eating their flesh can make you live forever. Of course, eating their flesh makes you like them, and puts you into the same danger. But hey, immortality.

    In After Sundown, these creatures often hang out at the edges of society – places which while nominally explored aren't actually watched very carefully.
    Exemplars: Gillman, Mole Man, Robert Olmstead, Moth Man
The Non-Playable Types

Not only must we make explicit what appears on the player's side, we also need to decide ahead of time what is around, supernaturally speaking in the world. Many people protest this. If they want to have unicorns show up for a storyline, why shouldn't they, as the MC, just do that? The answer is that in a cooperative storytelling game, the players need some sort of ground state to tell their own back stories and to make plans for future intrigue. Whether or not the character knows that such and such a creature exists or such and such a world spanning organization is up to its evil schemes, the player needs to at the very least have access to that information. And while it may seem like that would spoil surprises – and it does sometimes – in a much more important way it prevents narrative dissonance. Narrative dissonance appears in cooperative storytelling games much the way continuity errors appear in horror films. And while it is certainly jarring to watch the part in Leprechaun where they drive off in the second car despite the fact that they had earlier lamented being stranded when the first car wouldn't start – it is still a movie and thus the plot (such as it is) just keeps rolling along whether you notice the discrepancy or not. In a cooperative storytelling game however, such an event would just crash everything to a halt. The players and the MC would have to sit down and work something out, because they are all imagining the world together and there is no “next scene” until everyone gets their imaginations working together.
  • Zombies
    Brains!
    Zombies are the result of evil magic, ghastly diseases, or super science which transforms dead bodies into lurching, brain eating monsters. Zombies hunger for the living and have a tendency to rampage constantly. Some zombies are fast, some are slow. Some can figure out doorknobs and others can't. But they all hunger for the living. Zombie spawn can create new zombie spawn just by killing extras, so zombie outbreaks can get really big, really fast.
    Exemplars: Shelly Winters, Sheila, Ed
  • Fey
    Ha! Ha!
    Fairies in horror movies come from the same ghastly hell dimension that the demons do. These are not the shimmering pixies from Neverland, these are the hideous flesh eating goblins from the Goblin Market. They come in small and extra large sizes, and are generally easy to confuse.
    Exemplars: The Leprechaun, Rumplestiltskin, Pan, Pyramidhead
  • Demons
    My God!
    Not yet, human. Soon... very soon I will be.
    Made entirely of evil magic, the demons are a strange force that seeks to hurt humans and steal souls. Some appear as beautiful humans with or without horns and wings, and others look like the most nightmarish beasts the special effects budget could afford.
    Exemplars: Wishmaster, Azazel, Buju, The Lady in Red
  • Ghosts
    Boo!
    When humans die and they are super pissed about something, they will occasionally linger on after death and become a ghost. Ghosts don't interact properly with physical objects and other people, and in any case are fed only by strong human emotions. So they gradually lose themselves and go batshit crazy, becoming a force that is more and more destructive.
    Exemplars: Slimer, Patrick Swayze, The Mist
  • Giant Animals
    Rar!
    The wilderness of horror is a dangerous place with a spectacularly large array of things that can kill you. Man eating beasts of tremendous size roam the woods, the lakes, the swamps, and probably the mountains. Being eaten by sharks, crocodiles, tigers, or whatever is a severe threat. And yes, these super charged zoo rejects have magic powers sometimes.
    Exemplars: Jaws, Joe Young, Boa, Python
  • Evil Plants
    Hiss!
    The evil plants grow out of the ground in weird pods that make the soundtrack want to bust out theremin tracks. They grow out of humans and often have mind control and other weird powers. These things might actually be from Space. But since they don't have a civilization or space ships (that we know of), it's not super important.
    Exemplars: Body Snatchers, The Thing, Swamp Thing
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Post by Draco_Argentum »

You've got an extra /list tag after the contents.

I'm also assuming that the cannon expansion of MC is Master of Ceremonies.

"How much plots for stories are generated by the actions of the protagonists and how much are generated by external events will vary from group to group, but in either case the MC is heavily involved. " -- This is pretty tortured as sentences go.


After Sundown passes the Nocturna test. Googling "After Sundown rpg" does not have a DomSub horse sex rpg on the first page. Actually this thread is number three already.
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Post by Maxus »

Draco_Argentum wrote:You've got an extra /list tag after the contents.

I'm also assuming that the cannon expansion of MC is Master of Ceremonies.
Nah. A few months back, Frank reviewed a Czech-produced RPG, which dubbed the GM a title with translates as "Mister Cavern".

The term sort of caught on with a few people around here.
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Post by rampaging-poet »

MC could mean Mister Cavern, but the phrase "the MC" appears several times, and "the Mister Cavern" doesn't quite sound like English. I could be wrong, but it seems that in this context MC means Master of Ceremonies.
It was still probably chosen as a reference to that crazy RPG, but that doesn't mean that's what it stands for.

The new write-ups look pretty good. As previously mentioned, the Paris write-up is slightly confusing. One phrase that really jumps out at me is "the industrial Communes where...", which seems to be referring to a physical location in Paris despite being both plural and capitalized. Some clarification on the use of commune/communes/Commune/Communes would be appreciated.
The repetition of "rise to the occasion" in the entry on Luminaries and Extras seems slightly odd to me. You used that phrase twice in three sentences, and it stands out.

I guess I'm a little late to vote on a name for the game, but for what it's worth I really liked Edge of Night. After Sunset is pretty cool too though, so no complaints from me.
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Post by Midnight_v »

Under Ghosts, The mist... should probbably be "The Fog" if I'm not mistaken.

Also did we lost the revanant or is it just in another section. Hmm, I see that must be it this is the overview, I'm thinking of the "monsters" section. My bad.
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If you're not trying to call it the World of Darkness, three kinds of vampires really aren't necessary. All of them share at least 5 of 8 disciplines and a power schedule.
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