Bards?

Bihlbo · Post by **Bihlbo** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:21 pm

I've looked through some Tome stuff for info on bards, and I haven't found it yet. Am I missing it? If I'm not, is the bard intended to be not included in a Tome game?

Quantumboost · Post by **Quantumboost** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:34 pm

The Bard was originally slated for Tome of Trees, which never actually happened. Frank made an alternate Bard class a while ago here. Bards are viable for a while though (was it 12th where they go obsolete?) so you can probably make do with a core Bard in the earlier levels easily.

Jesters from the Dungeonomicon are fairly bard-like, as well.

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:08 am

I think a lot of people around here also get pissy when you talk about a class whose seperating ability is singing so that other people can get bonuses.

Bihlbo · Post by **Bihlbo** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:51 pm

Yeah don't get me wrong, bards are conceptually rediculous.

Sunwitch · Post by **Sunwitch** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:36 pm

Quantumboost wrote:Bards are viable for a while though (was it 12th where they go obsolete?) so you can probably make do with a core Bard in the earlier levels easily.

Lies, spellcasters do basically everything they do better all the way through; the only unique ability they get, which isn't just something a wizard could do at an earlier level, is inspire, which is rarely significant.

Anyway, the most likely Tome class as a replacement for Bard is the Marshall, with all those inspiration abilities intact and a decent aptitude for direct combat; I would suggest a reflavouring of that guy if you want a Bard the easy way. I recall that the frankbard got some updates at http://dungeons.wikia.com, though I'm looking at it now and I don't see anything of the sort anymore; it looks like the site's undergoing some renovations.

Quantumboost · Post by **Quantumboost** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:34 pm

Mauver wrote:Lies, spellcasters do basically everything they do better all the way through; the only unique ability they get, which isn't just something a wizard could do at an earlier level, is inspire, which is rarely significant.

"Spellcasters", and I assume you mean wizard/cleric/druid are also known to be more than the baseline competence level. Saying "wizards are better" is meaningless when you're determining whether someone can pull their own weight.

TarkisFlux · Post by **TarkisFlux** » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:48 pm

Mauver wrote:I recall that the frankbard got some updates at http://dungeons.wikia.com, though I'm looking at it now and I don't see anything of the sort anymore; it looks like the site's undergoing some renovations.

That site was largely abandoned a year ago due to some changes wikia was pushing onto everyone. They have since disabled one of the extensions we used for navigation, and you basically can't find anything there unless you know where to look or what to search for. There is not a sufficiently active group remaining there to fix it, so it'll be down indefinitely.

We moved to http://www.dnd-wiki.org instead. The Frank Bard updates you were thinking of are here.

Bihlbo · Post by **Bihlbo** » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:10 am

TYVM, folks. TarkisFlux, that's information I didn't have, and it answers a lot of other questions too. Much obliged.