how much WBL is combat oriented?

[codeGlaze]

Go download several of their tournament built PCs from their archives, then count up the money they spent on battle equipment. Then divide that number from the WBL.

Do it for each one. Average it out.

There's your answer.

[shadzar]

i still dont see where it says the bulk will be magic WEAPONS.


granted a bulk of things you keep is going to be in non coin form, and then it would be magic items. but it still doesnt say what some claim that ALL those magic items are ONLY weapons and armor, and other combat items.

Hold the fuck up, you ask me specifically:

character creation isnt in the SRD....

you will have to quote the book that "the bulk of your Wealth will be in magical items."

and then tell me how much of that will be in combat items?

That is what you asked me, I gave you the page, book, section number, and then I quoted it. Don't go changing it to magic weapons. I also said that the next section below it gives guidelines for the DM on how to try to keep balance for it.

this is the PHB?

It's in the DMG.

yes you provided what i asked for... now i am trying to find outside of that where people are claiming that it is magic WEAPONS.

you backed your claim with proper quote, that was never disputed, so i carried on with the thread itself.

[Seerow]

character creation isnt in the SRD....

you will have to quote the book that "the bulk of your Wealth will be in magical items."

and then tell me how much of that will be in combat items?

You have access to all the magic items. You tell me how many you see that aren't combat related.

the majority of them. bags of holding, amulet of crabs, amulet of health, all items that give ability score boosts, perform mundane tasks, affect movement, confer flight,....

Most of those are direct combat boosts.

Bag of Holding-Nope, not a combat boost. Also dirt cheap by high levels.
Amulet of Crabs-I see nothing like this in SRD no idea what you're talking about
Amulet of Health-Combat item
Other stat boosting items-Combat item
Affect movement-Combat item
Confer Flight-Combat item

[fbmf]

Score boosts are combat stuff, so of those three only one is actually out of combat. Even bags of holding are used to carry the things you use in combat or use to buy the things you use in combat, so those don't even get a pass for noncombat, as their use still revolves around killing things.

charisma played a large part in combat in 3rd before 4th edition huh?

sorry, healing doesnt have to do with combat, as it dosnt reflect only combat. you can have need of healing outside of combat...

AC used when in combat, to hit...for combat, damage done.. combat...sometimes out of combat.

those are your combat stats: attack, damage, and AC. always have been and always will be.

3rd i guess saves are combat stats too, because i have no fucking clue what they represent.

so anything else is NOT a combat item...it just happens to be useful at times in combat. examples: rope, torch, etc.

Lift with your knees, Shad, not with your back. Those goalposts can get heavy.

Game On,
fbmf

[shadzar]

Amulet of crabs: Cursed item. Summons crab people and grants devatating pinch attacks. Makes you itchy.

wow, i dont even like 3rd edition but am looking this stuff up oin the SRD rather than making shit up.

you seem to know less about 3.x than i do.

[shadzar]

Amulet of Crabs-I see nothing like this in SRD no idea what you're talking about

the fucking submarine with 10 levers and some DC to find the secret hatch!

[shadzar]

Go download several of their tournament built PCs from their archives, then count up the money they spent on battle equipment. Then divide that number from the WBL.

Do it for each one. Average it out.

There's your answer.

i dont have the item prices to be able to do that. i have a few of the Gamesday character sets.

if i had the info i would have already used those pregens to see what the percentage was.

but are those pregens or the tournament ones, relative to what people HERE are playing and claiming is standard?

isnt TGD ONE of the refuges of the old WotC CharOp boards, so here people squeeze more out of the system than should be legally allowed?

[Leress]

Apparatus of the Crab not Amulet of Crabs.

Here are all the ones that I can see in the SRD that are non combat:

Ioun Stone - clear
Feather Token - bird
Sustaining Spoon
Unguent of Timelessness
Ring of Sustenance
Potion, Scroll, Wand of Know Direction

[shadzar]

Apparatus of the Crab not Amulet of Crabs

yeah that! ty.

[Seerow]

Amulet of Crabs-I see nothing like this in SRD no idea what you're talking about

the fucking submarine with 10 levers and some DC to find the secret hatch!

oh Apparatus of Crabs, not amulet. It's a fucking barrel that turns into a submarine, not an amulet. And you wonder why people have no idea wtf you're talking about.


edit: Ninjad

[shadzar]

Amulet of Crabs-I see nothing like this in SRD no idea what you're talking about

the fucking submarine with 10 levers and some DC to find the secret hatch!

oh Apparatus of Crabs, not amulet. It's a fucking barrel that turns into a submarine, not an amulet. And you wonder why people have no idea wtf you're talking about.


edit: Ninjad

well the feather token was a coin that turned into a boats and trees and shit.

why not an amulet that turns into a submarine since a coin can turn into a boat?

and the name was changed from 2nd edition's "Apparatus of Kwalish", or the SRD just used some generic name as opposed to using a character name from D&D.

[Leress]

It's still "Apparatus of Kwalish" in the DMG, but the SRD uses generic names for OGL purposes.

[codeGlaze]

Go download several of their tournament built PCs from their archives, then count up the money they spent on battle equipment. Then divide that number from the WBL.

Do it for each one. Average it out.

There's your answer.

i dont have the item prices to be able to do that. i have a few of the Gamesday character sets.

if i had the info i would have already used those pregens to see what the percentage was.

but are those pregens or the tournament ones, relative to what people HERE are playing and claiming is standard?

isnt TGD ONE of the refuges of the old WotC CharOp boards, so here people squeeze more out of the system than should be legally allowed?

You briefly brought in balancing CR, and how that co-mingles with WBL...

Optimizers are NOT the people that create 'standard' characters that you assume WoTC balanced CR against. They make optimized characters, characters MORE powerful than 'average'. There's a large difference.

Post the relevant gear to those official pre-gens, someone might post the costs for you. Then *you* can do the math.

[shadzar]

Post the relevant gear to those official pre-gens, someone might post the costs for you. Then *you* can do the math.

i find it unlikely. as unlikely anyone has thought to check the WBL versus CR and such in all this time. the same characters are on the WotC archives.

nobody has serisouly sat down and figured what amount of WBL the game sets for things based on solely looking at CRs?

i find that odd after 11 years.

[darkmaster]

.... I have an idea everyone! And this may be a little crazy. But since Shad will never listen to anything anyone says. Let's all just stop talking to him. He can't ignore reason if no one offers it after all!

[Maxus]

I just have to ask.

Arrows of annihilation? I think I missed that one when I was taking my course in "Fun Ways to Combine Magic Items and Spells".

Will someone fill me in? I understand it probably involves putting a bag of holding and a portable hole together. But how so?

[rasmuswagner]

Post the relevant gear to those official pre-gens, someone might post the costs for you. Then *you* can do the math.

i find it unlikely. as unlikely anyone has thought to check the WBL versus CR and such in all this time. the same characters are on the WotC archives.

nobody has serisouly sat down and figured what amount of WBL the game sets for things based on solely looking at CRs?

i find that odd after 11 years.

Shadzar, what the hell is your point? Where are you trying to go with this?

[A Man In Black]

Will someone fill me in? I understand it probably involves putting a bag of holding and a portable hole together. But how so?

An arrowhead with a tiny bag of holding and portable hole, such that they collapse together when the arrow strikes.

Yeah I dunno.

[Winnah]

I just have to ask.

Arrows of annihilation? I think I missed that one when I was taking my course in "Fun Ways to Combine Magic Items and Spells".

Will someone fill me in? I understand it probably involves putting a bag of holding and a portable hole together. But how so?

This is all I could find on the subject. I remember a write up on 339 that went into it more extensively.

[...You Lost Me]

Dude that's awesome.

[ModelCitizen]

and the name was changed from 2nd edition's "Apparatus of Kwalish", or the SRD just used some generic name as opposed to using a character name from D&D.

It's still Apparatus of Kwalish in the 3.5 DMG. The SRD has to rename anything anything named after the old iconic Greyhawk characters. Floating Disk instead of Tenser's Floating Disk, Mage's Disjunction instead of Mordenkainen's...

[shadzar]

so i was told.

[Psychic Robot]

to answer the question

how much WBL is combat oriented?

most of it

[shadzar]

to answer the question

how much WBL is combat oriented?

most of it

so a single CR 5 monster requires 36k worth of magic items divided among 4 PCs in order to be a balanced fight?

[Desdan_Mervolam]

Well, technically, 14 separate CR5 monsters do.