Prak wrote:Ok, PoliteNewb, you seem to think it's a big deal, so tell me, why is it a big deal? Why the fuck does it matter what colour Regdar*'s or Hennet's skin is? Are you seriously incapable of identifying with characters of a different skin colour?
I don't think it's a big deal, personally. But if some people (who have better reason than me) think it is, telling them "oh, you're just whining, it's no big deal" is lazy and offensive. I don't like to see that crap, so I point it out.
Whether or not any 1 individual is personally capable of identifying with characters of another race is irrelevant. The point is, white people are seldom asked to do that...certainly not to the extent that minorities are. Whenever everyone agrees "it doesn't matter what color the hero is"...he hero ends up white. That can get a little old after a while.
You seriously think that "people more easily identify with those like themselves" is a controversial statement? And that putting more POC instead of white folks in fantasy book art is somehow offensive?
Yes, bitch and moan about white privilege. I'll get right on giving a shit about that when any discussion of race issues doesn't turn into a bunch of "all caucasians are dicks" sentiments after a few posts.
If you don't want people to say "all caucasians are dicks", it would help if you didn't act like a dick. For instance, when someone points out that they see something as a problem, you could say something other than "I don't give a shit, quit talking about it".
I'm not bitching or moaning about white privelege. I'm pointing out that it exists. That bother you?
As for racial identity of the iconics...I think you're nuts about Regdar. Dude looks white to me. Let's go down:
Krusk: inhuman, no comparable racial identity
Gimble: gnome...but white, definitely
Jozan: human, white
Vadania: elf...looks almost albino to me, but definitely more "white" than person of color
Tordek: dwarf...but white, definitely
Regdar: human, and I think white
Ember: human, black
Alhandra: human, looks hispanic to me
Soveliss: elf, but white
Lidda: halfling, but white
Hennet: human, asian
Mialee: elf...looks native american more than anything to me
Nebin: gnome, looks white to me
Devis: half-elf, but white
Naull: human, asian
Eberk: dwarf, but white
Kerwyn: human, looks white to me
I count 17 iconics, of which there are...5 people of color, classifying generously. Ignoring Krusk, that's twice as many who I look at and say 'white person'.
Schwarzkopf wrote:PoliteNewb wrote:Simple question: are you caucasian?
If so, it is incredibly easy for you to not give a shit, because it does not impact you one iota.
You know...this very idea is racist.
Oh wow, what? You are seriously debating the idea that caucasians are less affected by and care less about racial issues than people of color? Really?
White is the default in America. This is simply a fact. White people find it much easier to "not give a shit" about race than any other racial type in America.
But please, point out to me how pointing out white privelege is racist. I can't wait to hear.
Infected Slut Princess wrote:PoliteNewb, you really need to go fuck yourself. Comparing the representation of skin color in cheesy fantasy art to enslaving people -- seriously, go fuck yourself. Why dont you focus some energy on a REAL "racism" issue, like half-white half-black Obama murdering children with brown skin. Let me guess, you majored in "Feminist Studies" and "Marxist Class ANALysis" in university.
1.) The only comparison I made (or meant to make) was they were both issues where people said "just the way it is, no point complaining about it". I did not mean to imply they were of the same magnitude or moral impact. And it's irrelevant. The overall point is clear: saying "oh well, too bad" is absurd, and if mankind did it we would have no progress.
2.) Saying "why don't you go focus on a REAL issue" is a classic derail tactic. How do you know I don't? The fact that there are other problems bigger than this
in no way means this is not a problem.
3.) Nice (attempted) ad hominem, but my college studies don't really have anything to do with this discussion.
Honestly, the fact that the statement "more minorities would be more comfortable playing D&D if you included more POC in the art" gets people so riled up says more about white privelege than just about anything else I could say.
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