Pathfinder Is Still Bad

ScottS · Post by **ScottS** » Thu May 17, 2012 2:23 am

fectin wrote: Based on that, he uses the same strategy and agrees with Frank's "quote", which strongly approves of 4E. It's a bit more hamhanded than you may be used to seeing here, but it's fairly straightforward.

Could be right, but I guess the stumbling block here is, who the fuck uses "Gandhi" as a word for "an awesome thing"? Calling it "the Cadillac of game mechanics" or something might have confused less people. Much ham was to be handed on that day...

ishy · Post by **ishy** » Fri May 18, 2012 12:33 pm

There is a kickstart to make a steampunk setting for PF.
Which appears to be based partially on Girl Genius.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/100 ... r-role-pl/

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri May 18, 2012 1:12 pm

ishy wrote:There is a kickstart to make a steampunk setting for PF.
Which appears to be based partially on Girl Genius.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/100 ... r-role-pl/

There's not just one...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/714 ... pg-setting

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Fri May 18, 2012 7:27 pm

$3000 so that you can pay for some guy to run a game for you... Wow.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri May 18, 2012 8:12 pm

...You Lost Me wrote:$3000 so that you can pay for some guy to run a game for you... Wow.

I think most RPG Kickstarters that I've seen have an option like that. Why not? It doesn't hurt, and you might even have someone crazy enough to pony up that much dough. Supposedly 8 people pledged $1000 and one person pledged $5000 for the Pathfinder Online Kickstarter (whether those are shills or not, who knows?).

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Fri May 18, 2012 8:52 pm

No kidding? Man, I am out of the loop. I figured everyone paying for kickstarters was a poor college student.

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Fri May 18, 2012 9:09 pm

ScottS wrote:
fectin wrote: Based on that, he uses the same strategy and agrees with Frank's "quote", which strongly approves of 4E. It's a bit more hamhanded than you may be used to seeing here, but it's fairly straightforward.
Could be right, but I guess the stumbling block here is, who the fuck uses "Gandhi" as a word for "an awesome thing"? Calling it "the Cadillac of game mechanics" or something might have confused less people. Much ham was to be handed on that day...

I wonder where threatening to fast until he died of starvation or people gave up violence fits into the metaphor. Or the gradual change from embracing India's role as a westernized component of the British Empire to utter rejection of their rule to point that he organized big pyres of imported Western clothes.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Sat May 19, 2012 8:31 am

Man, Palladium was askin for my money YEARS before Kickstarter made it cool!

The only project I've seen that I want to GIVE MY MONEY to though is Phil Tippet's Mad God. A new stop motion sci fi exploration horror movie, yess

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mad ... ts-mad-god

This is EXACTLY the kinda aesthetic I want for an RPG setting
... maybe "Kickstart Mad God RPG!!" can come next hahah.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Sun May 20, 2012 4:46 pm

Avoraciopoctules wrote:
ScottS wrote:
fectin wrote: Based on that, he uses the same strategy and agrees with Frank's "quote", which strongly approves of 4E. It's a bit more hamhanded than you may be used to seeing here, but it's fairly straightforward.
Could be right, but I guess the stumbling block here is, who the fuck uses "Gandhi" as a word for "an awesome thing"? Calling it "the Cadillac of game mechanics" or something might have confused less people. Much ham was to be handed on that day...
I wonder where threatening to fast until he died of starvation or people gave up violence fits into the metaphor. Or the gradual change from embracing India's role as a westernized component of the British Empire to utter rejection of their rule to point that he organized big pyres of imported Western clothes.

You're overanalyzing it. The "Gandhi of RPGs" is just supposed to be the opposite of "the Hitler of RPGs" or something dumb like that.

erik · Post by **erik** » Sun May 20, 2012 7:42 pm

hogarth wrote: You're overanalyzing it. The "Gandhi of RPGs" is just supposed to be the opposite of "the Hitler of RPGs" or something dumb like that.

This makes more sense than anything.

ishy · Post by **ishy** » Mon May 21, 2012 12:39 pm

OgreBattle wrote:

Man, Palladium was askin for my money YEARS before Kickstarter made it cool!

The only project I've seen that I want to GIVE MY MONEY to though is Phil Tippet's Mad God. A new stop motion sci fi exploration horror movie, yess

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mad ... ts-mad-god

This is EXACTLY the kinda aesthetic I want for an RPG setting
... maybe "Kickstart Mad God RPG!!" can come next hahah.

That picture reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_%282009_film%29

rasmuswagner · Post by **rasmuswagner** » Mon May 21, 2012 7:41 pm

ishy wrote:
OgreBattle wrote:

Man, Palladium was askin for my money YEARS before Kickstarter made it cool!

The only project I've seen that I want to GIVE MY MONEY to though is Phil Tippet's Mad God. A new stop motion sci fi exploration horror movie, yess

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mad ... ts-mad-god

This is EXACTLY the kinda aesthetic I want for an RPG setting
... maybe "Kickstart Mad God RPG!!" can come next hahah.

That picture reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_%282009_film%29

And if you didn't like that movie, you're a MUGGLE and a REPUBLICAN.

virgil · Post by **virgil** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:56 pm

Blech, old group had one player make a monk for their Pathfinder game, and consider it a very powerful character; after giving him a nerfed Vow of Poverty (no Exalted feats). Their reason for this opinion? At level 13, the monk duelled a level 15 barbarian NPC, and both KO'd each other.

ishy · Post by **ishy** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:11 pm

Well at least they didn't use the pathfinder vow of poverty.

Antariuk · Post by **Antariuk** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:11 pm

virgil wrote:Blech, old group had one player make a monk for their Pathfinder game, and consider it a very powerful character; after giving him a nerfed Vow of Poverty (no Exalted feats). Their reason for this opinion? At level 13, the monk duelled a level 15 barbarian NPC, and both KO'd each other.

A nerfed VoP? I didn't know that was even possible, or to be precise, something anyone would even consider.

Also, is it just me or is this attitude of really bad spotlight-fixing a prominent feature among certain fans of Pathfinder? I'm glad I never had to deal with shit like that in my actual games, but the regularity of reports like yours makes my head hurt.

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Thu May 24, 2012 4:11 pm

Antariuk wrote:
virgil wrote:Blech, old group had one player make a monk for their Pathfinder game, and consider it a very powerful character; after giving him a nerfed Vow of Poverty (no Exalted feats). Their reason for this opinion? At level 13, the monk duelled a level 15 barbarian NPC, and both KO'd each other.
A nerfed VoP? I didn't know that was even possible, or to be precise, something anyone would even consider.

Also, is it just me or is this attitude of really bad spotlight-fixing a prominent feature among certain fans of Pathfinder? I'm glad I never had to deal with shit like that in my actual games, but the regularity of reports like yours makes my head hurt.

You should wander over to their forums. Threads about how the fighter is dominating the party are only slightly less common than bullshit morality threads.

Though for some reason, the fighter dominance threads never actually explain how this is even happening- the fighter is just 'somehow better' than the group's cleric or wizard.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Thu May 24, 2012 5:51 pm

Voss wrote:You should wander over to their forums. Threads about how the fighter is dominating the party are only slightly less common than bullshit morality threads.

Though for some reason, the fighter dominance threads never actually explain how this is even happening- the fighter is just 'somehow better' than the group's cleric or wizard.

Maybe the PF devs created some shills to convince people that they actually fixed the problem.

rasmuswagner · Post by **rasmuswagner** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:20 pm

Mmh. I recently commented that the lvl 15 pregens for the last volume of an Adventure Path we're the usual shit, but the Wizard looked actively sandbagged*. I still think they did it on purpose.

*His 2 8th-level spells. Polar Ray, ranged touch +6 for 15d6 cold damage +1d4 dex. The other is Iron Body, a personal polymorph that gives him a 35% ASF which he can't bypass, in exchange for making him a melee monster, I guess: speed 15 (no flight), AC 14, DR 15/Adamantine, 89 hp, and a full attack routine of +10/+5, 1d6+8. This is a level 15 wizard.

John Magnum · Post by **John Magnum** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:24 pm

Iron Body looks like it would turn you into a mediocre fighter back at level 5, DR notwithstanding. That's a COMICALLY pisspoor full attack routine, even setting aside the ridiculous notion that a wizard would spend actions doing direct damage. What the hell?

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:37 pm

rasmuswagner wrote:Mmh. I recently commented that the lvl 15 pregens for the last volume of an Adventure Path we're the usual shit, but the Wizard looked actively sandbagged*. I still think they did it on purpose.

*His 2 8th-level spells. Polar Ray, ranged touch +6 for 15d6 cold damage +1d4 dex. The other is Iron Body, a personal polymorph that gives him a 35% ASF which he can't bypass, in exchange for making him a melee monster, I guess: speed 15 (no flight), AC 14, DR 15/Adamantine, 89 hp, and a full attack routine of +10/+5, 1d6+8. This is a level 15 wizard.

Was that you? I read that thread, and was heartily amused at James Jacobs utterly losing his cool over some bullshit optimizing strawman.

'Raargh, optimizers like you are why we don't stat iconics anymore, because time and we suck.'

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Fri May 25, 2012 1:52 pm

I hope anybody who gets handed that pregen says "Fuck you, my wizard does not have those spells." I understand you can win D&D without using your 8th level spell slots, but at least put in spells that are fun.

Iron Body is an obvious trap option that serves to make the wizard useless, and polar ray is just point-and-click damage.

Also, ranged touch of +6? Wizards have half BAB, how is he that bad at touch attacks? Did he dump dex or something?

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:02 pm

Voss wrote: Though for some reason, the fighter dominance threads never actually explain how this is even happening- the fighter is just 'somehow better' than the group's cleric or wizard.

The DM has monsters walk up to the fighter and only attack the fighter. The wizard used up his magic missiles, and the Cleric is buffing the fighter.

Basically they are playing D&D like world of warcraft.

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Fri May 25, 2012 6:41 pm

rasmuswagner wrote:Mmh. I recently commented that the lvl 15 pregens for the last volume of an Adventure Path we're the usual shit, but the Wizard looked actively sandbagged*. I still think they did it on purpose.

That was some brilliant drive-by trolling you did. I had some fun with it before it got closed.

Is 'sunbeam' from around here? He was amusing over there too.

Slade · Post by **Slade** » Fri May 25, 2012 7:56 pm

I assumed that Pathfinder had a beta tester group (people who actually playtested it) outside of its "open playtest" advertisement scam.
You know, to make sure the game actually worked... instead just felt right....

Apparently according to Lisa (one of the designers) they never did any real playtesting at all.
http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5sfi?Im-not ... rms-and#23

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri May 25, 2012 8:33 pm

Slade wrote:Apparently according to Lisa (one of the designers) they never did any real playtesting at all.
http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5sfi?Im-not ... rms-and#23

She's not a designer, she's the CEO and co-owner/co-founder of Paizo.