I'm aware of that. It still makes any sort of mundane combatant small in the pants. It still is an autokill against mundane opponents. If you place a magic-user that can do the same shit Gandalf did on page/on screen in a party with a mundane guy, the mundane guy will be outmatched, full stop. Even third-level DnD magic is only remotely balanced with abilities that aren't actually mundane (once you can kill an ogre fair and square you are hardly mundane), but can pretend to be such somewhat convincingly in the context of attrition-based gameplay.Chamomile wrote:
First off, no he isn't. He hypothetically could be, but he's not. Second off, the power tier of Sauron is seriously not that impressive in D&D terms, because the incredible omnipotence you're ascribing to Gandalf are like third-level spells,
Unless I'm completely losing the thread of the discussion, you and others insist that this can be countered by a mundane guy having a "Leader of Men" role-protected ability. And to that my side (correctly answers), that both Gandalf and its evil counterparts are great leaders of men (or orcs) too, and building the game on the assumption that they will hold themselves back specifically to avoid becoming magical overlords ruling over mundane men is not a good way to build a game. That disregarding the facts that an army of mundane guys is basically worthless past certain level in DnD, and that until good mass combat rules are written having a large bunch of low-level underlings is basically flavor, not something that can seriously hepl on a typical quest.
Sauron was struck down by one of the oldest elves (you know, of the sort that can wrestle balrogs to a mutual kill) and two divinely blessed supermen that still wielded magic-science which was gradually lost since then.Chamomile wrote:and Sauron at the height of his power and wearing the One Ring is totally struck down by a mundane prince who's maybe fifth level.