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Once again, Mearl's laziness manages to astound me.infected slut princess wrote: And one of those systems that the completely different design team will be working on is THE UNDERLYING MATH OF THE GAME.
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Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
2e PHB wrote:Each player must select a group for his character, then a specific class within that group.
Warrior Wizard Priest Rogue
Copyright 1999 TSR Inc.
We've decided on four basic categories of classes. They are tentatively called warriors, mages, priests, and tricksters.
"tricksters" 
Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.
Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.
Wow. So his takeaway from all previous editions of D&D was that there were simply too many things a Magic User couldn't do?Corsair114 wrote:Shadzar, your link has a period at the end it doesn't need.
This one goes to the article being talked about in the post above.
What.Corsair114 wrote:the article being talked about
It makes expanding the game easier, since we can create one list of spells for those classes.
So wtf are the class groupings even supposed to do?Right underneath that wrote:In working on the sorcerer and warlock, it's unlikely that we want to give those classes blanket access to all mage spells.
Gary Gygax wrote:The player’s path to role-playing mastery begins with a thorough understanding of the rules of the game
Bigode wrote:I wouldn't normally make that blanket of a suggestion, but you seem to deserve it: scroll through the entire forum, read anything that looks interesting in term of design experience, then come back.
The primary problem with the article is it starts with what they didn't do, then kicks into what they're maybe kinda sorta gonna do, at some time in the nebulous future before getting shit out to the printers.ishy wrote:I'll be honest, I don't even understand the article.It makes expanding the game easier, since we can create one list of spells for those classes.So wtf are the class groupings even supposed to do?Right underneath that wrote:In working on the sorcerer and warlock, it's unlikely that we want to give those classes blanket access to all mage spells.
So... yeah. If it didn't escape anyone else's notice, but whatever they were going to do, it didn't make it to the public playtest. Sorcerers and warlocks appeared very briefly early on, had radically different mechanics and were dropped entirely. So whatever fucking feedback they got, it wasn't from people. Or at least not from anyone outside their bubble.[We were originally going to do a merge with arcane classes, but...] Having worked through the classes and looked at feedback, we're now adopting a different approach
more attempts to put viruses and shit into TGD or hack it with using mime-types.FrankTrollman wrote:It's better than that. Because even within the context of 2nd edition, the game largely gave up on giving a shit about the class groupings.
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Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.
Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.
Since I'm the only one who reads your posts, I'll point out that his point was that, instead of issuing a 'Warrior's Handbook' that provided options for all the 'Warrior' classes, they instead released a book for each individual 'warrior class'. That is to say, they abandoned the 'grouping' Mearls is now claiming is somehow so important that they're going to include it despite widespread and vociferous objection.shadzar wrote:
now remind me exactly what affect these books had on the PHB itself?
DAMN SHADZAR, NOW MY COMPUTER IS FULL OF MIME TYPES AND I NEED TO FORMAT MY INTERNET. THANK YOU.shadzar wrote:more attempts to put viruses and shit into TGD or hack it with using mime-types.
Koumei wrote:After all, in Firefox you keep tabs in your browser, but in SovietPutin's Russia, browser keeps tabs on you.
Mord wrote:Chromatic Wolves are massively under-CRed. Its "Dood to stone" spell-like is a TPK waiting to happen if you run into it before anyone in the party has Dance of Sack or Shield of Farts.
obviously you dont read...deaddmwalking wrote:Since I'm the only one who reads your posts, I'll point out that his point was that, instead of issuing a 'Warrior's Handbook' that provided options for all the 'Warrior' classes, they instead released a book for each individual 'warrior class'. That is to say, they abandoned the 'grouping' Mearls is now claiming is somehow so important that they're going to include it despite widespread and vociferous objection.shadzar wrote:
now remind me exactly what affect these books had on the PHB itself?
As for the weird diatribe you went on about how 2nd edition was perfect in 1996 before the release of all the splat books, The Complete Fighter's Handbook was published by TSR in 1989.
While the splat books didn't change the core rules, neither did any splat releases in 3.x. There were certainly optional expansions (like Psionics), but that's also true of 2nd edition under TSR.
Your hate-bonor for WotC would make more sense if you could honestly attribute the books you hate to them, instead of TSR (who actually is responsible for them).
Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.
Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.
Kaelik wrote:Fuck you Haruhi is clearly the best moe anime, and we will argue about how Haruhi and Nagato are OP and um... that girl with blond hair? is for shitters.darkmaster wrote:Tgdmb.moe, like the gaming den, but we all yell at eachother about wich lucky star character is the cutest.
If you like Lucky Star then I will explain in great detail why Lucky Star is the a shitty shitty anime for shitty shitty people, and how the characters have no interesting abilities at all, and everything is poorly designed especially the skill challenges.
It'll probably compare something like apples to owlbears.darkmaster wrote:You know, every time I see a shadzar post, I wonder, "Is it worth it to click that link?" Then I remember there's a reason I haven't bothered to figure out how to unblock someone, even though it's probably easy.
Anyway, I'll probably check out 5e, if only to see to see how the final product compares to what we've seen.
Kaelik wrote:Fuck you Haruhi is clearly the best moe anime, and we will argue about how Haruhi and Nagato are OP and um... that girl with blond hair? is for shitters.darkmaster wrote:Tgdmb.moe, like the gaming den, but we all yell at eachother about wich lucky star character is the cutest.
If you like Lucky Star then I will explain in great detail why Lucky Star is the a shitty shitty anime for shitty shitty people, and how the characters have no interesting abilities at all, and everything is poorly designed especially the skill challenges.
Vebyast wrote:Here's a fun target for Major Creation: hydrazine. One casting every six seconds at CL9 gives you a bit more than 40 liters per second, which is comparable to the flow rates of some small, but serious, rocket engines. Six items running at full blast through a well-engineered engine will put you, and something like 50 tons of cargo, into space. Alternatively, if you thrust sideways, you will briefly be a fireball screaming across the sky at mach 14 before you melt from atmospheric friction.
nockermensch wrote:DAMN SHADZAR, NOW MY COMPUTER IS FULL OF MIME TYPES AND I NEED TO FORMAT MY INTERNET. THANK YOU.shadzar wrote:more attempts to put viruses and shit into TGD or hack it with using mime-types.
No, it didn't. They copied them straight out of the first edition, with the obvious exception of the assassin and monk (which were dropped) and the addition of the bard as a normal class instead of the weird ball of dual classing fuckery that involved 4 separate classes.shadzar wrote: 2nd edition came up with the "class groups" for the PHB.... FOR THE PHB.
Eeyup. It isn't even the first time, but it doesn't become less baffling with repetition.Previn wrote: Wha... what is this? Did he read this somewhere and just have it latch on to his most base luddite fears?
