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- Avoraciopoctules
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You can definitely allow it to make deflection attempts anywhere in range of the chains. However, it lacks combat reflexes and so only gets one attack of opportunity per turn.
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Great. And since Deflecting only works once per round, you aren't really losing out.
If you have a special snowflake kyton with Combat Reflexes, you might be able to give it some ~8300 GP spiked chains that also have Deflecting to up your protection, but it is probably more economical to just planar bind another generic one and hand it a 4000 GP amulet.
... The precise way the deflection roll works isn't explained clearly. I think it defaults to an unmodified CMB roll against the CMD of whoever you bounce the ray at. Does the ground have a CMD number?
If you have a special snowflake kyton with Combat Reflexes, you might be able to give it some ~8300 GP spiked chains that also have Deflecting to up your protection, but it is probably more economical to just planar bind another generic one and hand it a 4000 GP amulet.
... The precise way the deflection roll works isn't explained clearly. I think it defaults to an unmodified CMB roll against the CMD of whoever you bounce the ray at. Does the ground have a CMD number?
Just my GM saying "I don't allow 3rd party stuff".Avoraciopoctules wrote:Is there anything keeping you from putting the Deflecting weapon quality into an Amulet of Mighty Fists and then giving it to a Kyton Evangelist to protect a huge swathe of the battlefield from ray spells using its animated chains?
Don't think the ground is a valid target, so with a CMB of +10, it means your kyton will mostly be redirecting rays to itself.
Unless you bring along some crap covered farmers, chained to the devil.
Unless you bring along some crap covered farmers, chained to the devil.
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- rasmuswagner
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Other than the shitty writing? No.Avoraciopoctules wrote:Is there anything keeping you from putting the Deflecting weapon quality into an Amulet of Mighty Fists and then giving it to a Kyton Evangelist to protect a huge swathe of the battlefield from ray spells using its animated chains?
Every time you play in a "low magic world" with D&D rules (or derivates), a unicorn steps on a kitten and an orphan drops his ice cream cone.
- Avoraciopoctules
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That sounds reasonable, and also pretty thematic. I shouldn't have any problems with the 3rd-party thing, since this is for a game I am MCing.ishy wrote:Don't think the ground is a valid target, so with a CMB of +10, it means your kyton will mostly be redirecting rays to itself.
Unless you bring along some crap covered farmers, chained to the devil.
The PC forces for this encounter are going to be one level 9 lich sorcerer (early access to the template with MC permission), 2 level 7 fighty types with some magic, and about 100 soldiers of levels 2-4.
I'll probably send a few evangelists, one sacristan, some kind of support caster, and a few dozen skirmishers in the same level range as the normal soldiers. The level 7 characters will probably end up dueling the kytons without the lich being in a good position to directly back them up, and the mooks slug things out in the background.
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Between the various unarmed attack geegaw, Samsaran spell filtching, Greater Hats of Disguise, Feral Combat Training, Guided/Agile weapons, an idiotic trait that boosts your luck bonus by +1, an idiotic weapon property that boosts your morale bonus by enh/2, the Plant Domain for a level/2 damage bonus, the Destruction (Rage) subdomain for rage powers and smite, the Conductive weapon property to make the smite useable, and Blood Crow Strike you should be able to make a clerical unarmed damage dealer that's almost as good as a Divine Metamagic: Persistent Spell abusing 3.0E cleric.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
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Blood crow strike looks terrible to me. A 1 round casting time, and all it really does is let you unarmed strike someone at range, while allowing SR.Lago PARANOIA wrote:Between the various unarmed attack geegaw, Samsaran spell filtching, Greater Hats of Disguise, Feral Combat Training, Guided/Agile weapons, an idiotic trait that boosts your luck bonus by +1, an idiotic weapon property that boosts your morale bonus by enh/2, the Plant Domain for a level/2 damage bonus, the Destruction (Rage) subdomain for rage powers and smite, the Conductive weapon property to make the smite useable, and Blood Crow Strike you should be able to make a clerical unarmed damage dealer that's almost as good as a Divine Metamagic: Persistent Spell abusing 3.0E cleric.
What am I missing?
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- Invincible Overlord
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It's a spell, so it's affected by stuff that enhances spells. Like Quicken Spell.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
- NineInchNall
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That's fucking hilarious.
Current pet peeves:
Misuse of "per se". It means "[in] itself", not "precisely". Learn English.
Malformed singular possessives. It's almost always supposed to be 's.
Misuse of "per se". It means "[in] itself", not "precisely". Learn English.
Malformed singular possessives. It's almost always supposed to be 's.
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It's a terribly-written spell. The other interpretation is that, after successfully casting the spell, you get a full attack's worth of crows.
DSMatticus wrote:Again, look at this fucking map you moron. Take your finger and trace each country's coast, then trace its claim line. Even you - and I say that as someone who could not think less of your intelligence - should be able to tell that one of these things is not like the other.
Kaelik wrote:I invented saying mean things about Tussock.
Well, it has a 1 round casting time, so that can easily screw you. It also doesn't actually say that you get to make attacks as part of casting it.
virgil wrote:Lovecraft didn't later add a love triangle between Dagon, Chtulhu, & the Colour-Out-of-Space; only to have it broken up through cyber-bullying by the King in Yellow.
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Yes, it's "You can make unarmed strike or flurry of blows attacks against the target as if it were in your threatened area" and you can totally trip someone in your threatened area with an unarmed strike.
virgil wrote:Lovecraft didn't later add a love triangle between Dagon, Chtulhu, & the Colour-Out-of-Space; only to have it broken up through cyber-bullying by the King in Yellow.
FrankTrollman wrote:If your enemy is fucking Gravity, are you helping or hindering it by putting things on high shelves? I don't fucking know! That's not even a thing. Your enemy can't be Gravity, because that's stupid.
I now totally want to play a cleric whose shtick is throwing burning crows at people.
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.
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FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.
Can you cast it on an ally, and then use it to use touch spells at range?
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And worships the Red Crow.Prak_Anima wrote:I now totally want to play a cleric whose shtick is throwing burning crows at people.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
"Thank you, Pathfinder, it's comforting to know that even though I still can't have a decent basic Fighter or Monk, I can totally play one of those weird quasi-KKK crow mage dudes from Bioshock Infinite."Prak_Anima wrote:I now totally want to play a cleric whose shtick is throwing burning crows at people.
So the player's guide for the new Mummy's Mask AP is out. And it is so utterly boring I am actually surprised - I know it doesn't give away the biggies, but after reading those pages I am convinced that this AP will not turn any heads other than those of diehard fans of Ancient Egypt. There is nothing new or interesting, all cliches and memes are adapted 100% and at face value, no twists, nothing. You have cliche pharaohs, cliche sphinxes, cliche tombs, cliche mummies, cliche people with turbans, and cliche scimitars. Also this trapfinding trait some people raged about.
The environmental rules are still a joke, as in expect to see all-tiefling parties with hilarious indifference towards walking through the desert in armor. The spells create water and endure elements render 90% of all this moot, so why even bother?
The environmental rules are still a joke, as in expect to see all-tiefling parties with hilarious indifference towards walking through the desert in armor. The spells create water and endure elements render 90% of all this moot, so why even bother?
"No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style." - Steven Brust
BECAUSE RAELIZARM!Antariuk wrote: The environmental rules are still a joke, as in expect to see all-tiefling parties with hilarious indifference towards walking through the desert in armor. The spells create water and endure elements render 90% of all this moot, so why even bother?
Keys to the Contract: A crossover between Puella Magi Madoka Magica and Kingdom Hearts.
RadiantPhoenix wrote:The D&D wizard is a work of fiction that has a completely unrealistic expectation of "uses a book".TheFlatline wrote:Legolas/Robin Hood are myths that have completely unrealistic expectation of "uses a bow".
hyzmarca wrote:Well, Mario Mario comes from a blue collar background. He was a carpenter first, working at a construction site. Then a plumber. Then a demolitionist. Also, I'm not sure how strict Mushroom Kingdom's medical licensing requirements are. I don't think his MD is valid in New York.
- Avoraciopoctules
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Laaame. I was really looking forward to making my campaign into a ridiculous parody of Ancient Astronauts theory. Maybe I'll be better off making something up from scratch after all. I'll buy at least one module, though, since I do think pyramid dungeons full of deathtraps can be pretty fun.Antariuk wrote:So the player's guide for the new Mummy's Mask AP is out. And it is so utterly boring I am actually surprised - I know it doesn't give away the biggies, but after reading those pages I am convinced that this AP will not turn any heads other than those of diehard fans of Ancient Egypt. There is nothing new or interesting, all cliches and memes are adapted 100% and at face value, no twists, nothing. You have cliche pharaohs, cliche sphinxes, cliche tombs, cliche mummies, cliche people with turbans, and cliche scimitars. Also this trapfinding trait some people raged about.
The environmental rules are still a joke, as in expect to see all-tiefling parties with hilarious indifference towards walking through the desert in armor. The spells create water and endure elements render 90% of all this moot, so why even bother?
There's a Witch archetype that lets you play as Bayonetta. Except your hair has to be white, apparently. So it totally isn't Bayonetta!sake wrote:"Thank you, Pathfinder, it's comforting to know that even though I still can't have a decent basic Fighter or Monk, I can totally play one of those weird quasi-KKK crow mage dudes from Bioshock Infinite."Prak_Anima wrote:I now totally want to play a cleric whose shtick is throwing burning crows at people.
But yeah, they seriously made "Attention, duelists: my hair is assaulting you!" a playable archetype in a time when fighters and monks still sucked troglodite balls.
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Well obviously you can't have super cool high level environments if you don't have boring low level environments.Antariuk wrote:The environmental rules are still a joke, as in expect to see all-tiefling parties with hilarious indifference towards walking through the desert in armor. The spells create water and endure elements render 90% of all this moot, so why even bother?
Kaelik wrote:Fuck you Haruhi is clearly the best moe anime, and we will argue about how Haruhi and Nagato are OP and um... that girl with blond hair? is for shitters.darkmaster wrote:Tgdmb.moe, like the gaming den, but we all yell at eachother about wich lucky star character is the cutest.
If you like Lucky Star then I will explain in great detail why Lucky Star is the a shitty shitty anime for shitty shitty people, and how the characters have no interesting abilities at all, and everything is poorly designed especially the skill challenges.