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Many people are reluctant to use Microsoft on-computer search because it's famously shitty.
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Maj wrote:I took Eikre's post to be facetiousness.
The advice itself is so terrible it seems facetious, but the opening about not being a reactionary jackass does not fit the joke. I chose to err on the side of arguing with someone on the internet.
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Well, for one, if I did that on my computer I would be playing Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic. Not exactly hard to account for, but worth noting.

That aside, is there anyone who actually launches word by running the program directly? If I plan to be using any office tools, I am probably working out of a directory. Possibly several. I can just navigate to those directories and keep them open, creating/opening/deleting files as needed. Open/save dialogs are fucking clumsy, and you are probably better off substituting windows explorer for them whenever you can. But if I need a text editor/word processor/whatever (say to temporarily store some text data), notepad/notepad++ are among the 31 items on that list, and as such can be accessed in two clicks or a keystroke and a click. And if I thought I would get use out of having office tools on that list, there's still plenty of room to add things.
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DSMatticus wrote:That aside, is there anyone who actually launches word by running the program directly?
I do. I actually am a really big fan of the Office Bar from way back when. Granted, most of the stuff I had on it wasn't from Office, but I really like that bar. Nexus has something like it that I currently use. The programs I directly open from it are Word, Excel, Photoshop, my current playlists, current games I'm playing, and m'llaneous utilities (like snipping tool!).
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I used to just double-click the file, because it's rare that I start from a totally fresh document - even if I'm creating something, chances are it's similar in structure to some existing document I've done that I'm better off using the other as a template.

But since then, trying to open a document directly resulted in "Hey, feel like registering Office?" whereas opening Word from the Start Menu (two clicks, because it's pinned to the menu, right up there with Notepad, Bloons TD and both NWN games) opens it just fine. Presumably it's a case of "not really proper version of Office included with store-bought laptop". And given OpenOffice is Java-based shite, I'm not really inclined to replace it.
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Occasionally, I do open Word fresh. I run PowerPoint fresh more often, and Excel much more often.

Search has been much, much better since Windows 7. I can't speak to Vista, but it's actually worth using now. There are even a few things I sometimes run by typing in (notepad, calc, cmd, and paint), though they're all things that I used the run dialog for previously. They're all things that I use rarely enough to fall off the start menu, and happen to know the exact names for.
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DSMatticus wrote:That aside, is there anyone who actually launches word by running the program directly? If I plan to be using any office tools, I am probably working out of a directory. Possibly several. I can just navigate to those directories and keep them open, creating/opening/deleting files as needed. Open/save dialogs are fucking clumsy, and you are probably better off substituting windows explorer for them whenever you can. But if I need a text editor/word processor/whatever (say to temporarily store some text data), notepad/notepad++ are among the 31 items on that list, and as such can be accessed in two clicks or a keystroke and a click. And if I thought I would get use out of having office tools on that list, there's still plenty of room to add things.
The point was not to discuss how people open Microsoft Word on Win8, but how people open whatever program they want. Word was an example, because personally I rarely write a document I need to come back to in Word. You can subsitute Dropbox, the Command Prompt, or that one game you just downloaded from the internet. If it has a name that's even remotely unique, you can access it with 5 keystrokes or less instead of performing a digital headhunt through the overcrowded "Programs" folder.
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The windows 7 command prompt is absolutely wonderful. There are too many programs on my computer for any visual list or display to fit them all, but I generally remember their names.

Clearly, GUIs are an old, outmoded technology, and command prompts are the way of the future (now that they finally don't require you to slavishly type with precision).


I don't quite get why windows 8 thought the search bar would be better if it was full screen.
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So I was thinking of doing some fluff writing on DC 2.0, to see if that got me excited enough to work on the system. So I'm going to pick at everyone's brains* regarding science stuff.

1. So the Eldar/Protoss race. I was thinking they'd not just be really slender, but actually have no bones, just cartilage, like sharks. But unlike sharks they're not supported by water. Is that actually strong enough to support a human-sized creature? Would they need particularly strong/rigid muscles**? Or do they just get to have skeletons like everyone else, possibly with a lower bone density?

2. The big alien race. I'm thinking 9' tall space lizards. Everyone likes giant space lizards, right? How crazy could it get for them to still be plausible? Is there evidence that they need to have blood (or for that matter oxygen), or can we accept a human-level life form that doesn't bother with that shit but needs something entirely different for their biological processes? I figure they'll still eat, and perhaps they can basically eat the same things we can, through a basically similar system, and they can therefore benefit from Spice the same way everyone else can.

3. Fucking particle weapons, how do they work? "Particle accelerator cannon" sounds awesome for a name, but as far as I'm aware, particle accelerators are massive science experiments that just spin subatomic particles around until they get dizzy and throw up. Does slamming one into someone at "fuck you" speeds actually do anything? Or do we just use lasers, ionized gas (ie plasma), heat rays, gamma rays and lightning guns for the energy weapons?

4. Psychic powers from the Spice. If you unleash a ray of focused heat that can melt tanks, that's a significant amount of energy. Does that energy come from "the warp" and you just channel it into this dimension? Do you just trigger subatomic reactions in the world, so all the energy is basically already there (either in the form of matter or other types of energy)? Or do you actually burn off megacalories every time you use powers, and all psychic users are slender and need to subsist on deep fried Mars bars and energy drinks? I'd like to actually answer this question in the text, even though I won't be expecting players to track KCal/ambient energy levels at the table.

5. For the genetically engineered deathworlders, I'd like to name them after the planet that the first batch were on. What are some good non-English, non-Latin names for Hell, Dungeon, Deathworld, Shithole, Hellhole etc? I'd like to go with the idea that maybe someone other than a fully English speaking team discovered it first, and gave their own name for "Man that place is shitty to live".

*Not literally, as it stands, but that is subject to change.

**Everybody knows a horror story about someone on PCP being able to walk despite a clean break in a legbone, because "the muscles tighten up enough to support them".
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1. I don't think cartilage is going to cut it, no.

2. You need to get chemical energy from somewhere, which generally implies oxygen or similar. I guess maybe they could just absorb ambient energy of some sort, but supporting a giant alien metabolism on that would be difficult.

3. Current particle accelerators slam subatomic particles into each other so hard they explode. However, presumably a weapon version would have more particles moving slower, and carry a bunch of kinetic energy/heat.

4. Extra-dimensional energy is probably the way to go, because the energy cost on relatively standard psychic power effects can be shockingly high.

5. Xibalba
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1. Cephalapods can manage without a skeleton outside of water. Granted Octopuses aren't the most agile land creatures, but they can get around. I imagine if they were pressured they could have evolved to be land creatures, maybe like tree dwellers or something. The smaller/lighter they are the easier a go of it they'll have.

A bunch of tentacles like a nest of elephant trunks would have enough strength to get around and do things. Decidedly not humanoid, but they could assume various shapes like octopuses do by arranging their tentacles.

2. 9' tall space lizards are totally plausible. Nature went way bigger with dinosaurs. If you don't have blood then you need some explanation of how cells get their nutrients. Trees have a rudimentary circulatory system without blood, but without a pump that limits their mobility. A circulatory system is pretty advantageous but isn't necessarily required.

Granted if you don't have a circulatory system then you probably are going to have a non-humanoid shape. You could be a sponge or something. Unless you've developed bio-electrical circuits that pass energy around like a droid. Giant Electric Robot Space Lizards?

3. Dunno. I think particle cannons are mostly cool sounding but not really viable compared to most of the stuff you mentioned, but don't really know.

4. Could be a bit of everything. It takes a heap of energy from the psyker to channel energy from the other realms. I would prefer to handwave drawing energy from another system rather than converting mass to energy, but I suppose either works.

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Also. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld
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erik wrote:5. Pittsburgh.
Okay, that made me laugh.
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Just commenting on the ones I can speak on with authority:

3. The LHC is the largest circular accelerator in the world, because the French are metal as fuck when it comes to physics. It can get particles up to an energy of 14,000 GeV (which is crazy high for particles) which works out as 2.2x10^-6 joules. However, it gets those energies by making a particle go around the circular track many, many times. The planned new linear accelerator is designed to get up to 125 GeV which is 2x10^-8 joules, and that's all in a straight line that only runs once, which is more the way a weapon would be.

By contrast, a 5.56mm bullet has a kinetic energy of 1800 joules. For non physicists, this means the bullet has 1,000,000,000 times as much energy as the LHC projectile, which in turn has a hundred times as much energy as the linacc particle. So no, particle accelerators are not particularly comparable to weapons.

If you want a weird sci-fi weapon which is plausible from a hard science point of view, go for a mass driver. Those can totally work.

4. The wrong answer is "it burns off calories from the psyker" because the calorific content of a psyker's entire body wouldn't be enough to melt a hole in a tank. Either of the other two (energy from the warp, matter conversion) would be acceptable from a thermodynamic point of view. The difference is in how you see psykers as working in the long run.

If they bring energy into our world from the warp, then the amount of energy in our world gradually increases over time. Psykers are therefore inherently a constructive force (or at least a vampiric force in our favour.) By contrast, if they convert matter into energy (especially if it's heat energy) then they're accelerating the heat-death of the universe. Psykers are therefore inherently a destructive force. Which one you prefer, in terms of cosmic alignments, is up to how you want to fluff it.

5. The Arabic word for hell is Jahanna (from which Gehenna in Vampire: the Masquerade) and the Hebrew word for hell is Shoah (from which the RPG of the same name.)
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But don't use Shoah, because that's also the Hebrew word for the Holocaust. So it's ever so slightly charged.
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If the beings in 5 are from the first death world, then that should be called Earth. <insert standard "Humanity, fuck yeah!" rant here>
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So, a debate on libertarianism started on twitter today. Because privileged white assholes love telling sex workers what to think.

It made me curious as to the perception of my own political... beliefs?

The best term i know of for my leanings is anarchocommunist. Namely, i think it's be ideal if people could just fucking act like grown ups and be part of their immediate community that made sure everyone's needs were met through communal effort.

However, I am also a realist, and so realize that won't happen any time soon (or ever), and so when I'm actually making political decisions, I act in favour of strong government, strong market regulations, taxes and civil liberty.

I'm just curious as to what people think of such a political stance (isp, feel free to keep gobbling on those barrel cocks)
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Prak_Anima wrote:I'm just curious as to what people think of such a political stance[?]
I think that you should probably stop demonstrating that you are an idiot.

I mean, I describe my favorite D&D edition as 4e, because I think that there was potential to make a better game than 3e. But since I recognize that they fucking didn't, I regularly point out that 4e is shit, and only play 3e. But goddam it if I don't describe my favorite edition of D&D as 4e anyway.
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What precisely is idiotic about having a specific political belief, realizing that it's untenable, and thus acting counter to it?

I mean, other than the fact I gift-wrapped an opportunity for to furiously stroke your hateboner to your favourite trollporn.
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Prak_Anima wrote:What precisely is idiotic about having a specific political belief, realizing that it's untenable, and thus acting counter to it?
The part where you call yourself a word which means "I advocate for the thing I don't advocate for."
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Because "having a specific political belief" and "realizing that it's untenable and thus acting counter to it" is a contradiction.

It's like eating a cake, except realizing all that sugar is bad for you so you don't.

It's like taking a walk in the part, except realizing that the park is on fire so you don't.

It's like being religious, except realizing religion is a lie so you aren't.

It's like playing 4e, except realizing that 3e is better so you don't.

It's like X, except realizing X is stupid so ~X.

You aren't an anarchocommunist. You're just a dude who thinks the idea of a utopia that will never be sure sounds nice and is lamenting the fact that the impossible is in fact impossible.
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Actually, it's like wanting to do something, but realizing it's bad for you, so you do something not bad instead.

I just double checked my wording, and what I said was "this fantasy scenario seems ideal to me. But it's a fantasy, so I try to bring about the best realistic scenario instead, which happens to be counter."

It's like saying "it'd be ideal if I had a giant eagle to ride to work. But giant, man-ridable eagles don't exist, so I guess I'll have to make do with my car."

Edit: sorry, I found where it all went pear shaped. I was stupid enough to think a term that I figured meant "no government, success trough communal effort" wasn't loaded down with other libertarian bullshit.
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Prak_Anima wrote:Edit: sorry, I found where it all went pear shaped. I was stupid enough to think a term that I figured meant "no government, success trough communal effort" wasn't loaded down with other libertarian bullshit.
No, the problem was that you thought a term which means "no government, but success through communal effort (and also libertarian bullshit)" accurately describes the process of voting for strong government.

Just like using a term that means "I like 4e" does not accurately describe the process of hating every single thing about 4e.
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Prak wrote:The best term i know of for my leanings is anarchocommunist. Namely, i think it's be ideal if people could just fucking act like grown ups and be part of their immediate community that made sure everyone's needs were met through communal effort.

However, I am also a realist, and so realize that won't happen any time soon (or ever), and so when I'm actually making political decisions, I act in favour of strong government, strong market regulations, taxes and civil liberty.
That is where it went pear-shaped. That big part in the middle where you claim to be a thing because it sounds ideal, then admit that that thing is impossible and you are not actually that thing.

I'm Christian because the idea of eternal paradise sounds swell, but Christianity is bullshit and that will never happen so I actually neither practice nor believe, and am in fact a blasphemous heretic.

Am I actually Christian? Of course not. And you don't lean anarchocommunist.
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So... avoid using political labels, since lots of people will disagree with what they mean. Just say things like
"I would like {desired result A} and I think {action Z} would help towards that, so I support {action Z}"
? Then we can (hopefully) argue about whether Z would help A, whether A is a good thing to aim for, or if B would be better, for {reasons} and whether the side-effects of Z are sufficiently bad that you shouldn't support it anyway, rather than shouting about what words mean.
Sadly, I suspect very few people are able to do this :(
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That's it Kaelik, get all of that hatejizz out. Just fucking flail on your massive hateboner for me until your done. I'd hate to give blue trollballs. Just remember to clean up when you're done.

DSMatticus: really, saying that your actual political beliefs are one thing, but your actions are counter to it because you know it's wrong or bad is idiotic? Have you fucking met people? At least I realize that my unrealistic bullshit is unrealistic and so don't fucking try to enact it.

Fwib: yeah, pretty much.
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