souran wrote:You are simply a liar if you think 4E did 1/10th the sales of 3.5.
OK, first of all, you understand that someone is a
liar if they say something that they don't think is true, while if they
think something is true which is not then they are merely wrong. Your statement here is incendiary and demonstrably false. If you were pretty sure that 4e did better than 1/10th the sales of 3e, people who
thought otherwise would not be
liars if they said so. They would be liars if they said you were right despite thinking otherwise.
So, after you stop tripping on your own dick trying to get a rise out of people, what the fuck is your evidence? Third edition sold more PHBs in the
first month than 4th edition sold of all books combined in the
first year. 3rd edition sold "millions of books" and 4th edition sold "hundreds of thousands."
Hell,
White Wolf sold millions of books before they killed themselves with their ill-fated nWoD debacle. In fact, they sold
eight million books between 1991 and 2005. And 3rd edition
kicked their ass. By a lot. We never got a running total of how many books total 3rd edition ever sold, but it's almost certainly over the ten million mark yet considerably less than a hundred million. And all 4th edition books
combined sold "hundreds of thousands" of books. As stated by WotC's lawyers. In court. For real.
The only question is not whether 3rd edition outsold 4th edition by a factor of 10. We know for an absolute fact that it did that. The big question is whether it outsold 4th edition by a factor of
one hundred. Which it very plausibly could have. We're pretty confident that it
didn't outsell 4th edition by a factor of
one thousand, so there's that.
Yes, 4th edition had the D&D brand name and worldwide distribution that an indy game company could only dream of having. They sold more copies of books than anything I will every write. But if their own flaks are to be believed, I literally sold more e-copies of After Sundown than WotC did of the 4th edition PHB2. Not even fucking kidding. They said
in court that they had proof that the PHB2 was pirated at least 1010 times. Then their PR guy said in an interview that they had solid evidence that the e-books were pirated more than 10 times for every paid legal download. If those statements are at all connected to reality and each other, they seriously sold 100 or less copies of the PHB2 in electronic format. Meaning that I did in fact sell more copies of After Sundown than they sold of the PHB2.
That is the level of dismal failure they were living in.
-Username17