Election 2016

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:26 pm

Ancient History wrote:You literally cannot make this shit up: http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/16/media/d ... index.html

Yes, how dare Saturday Night Live do what it's always done and throw jabs at everyone. How dare they make fun of him when he screws up or says something awful or parody him.

This week's wasn't anywhere near as harsh to Trump as last week, and it got Clinton for being stiff and artificial.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:56 pm

See, this: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9812

I wish I lived in a world where the Clinton campaign tried to pretend to care about poor more than they do, or even accurately stated how much they care about poor people. I think that would increase democrat mobilization. But instead we live in the world where they want to avoid the type of campaign that lost the 2012 election for Obama.....

I feel like there is a flaw in their plan somewhere.

Occluded Sun · Post by **Occluded Sun** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:05 pm

It also doesn't matter how bad any given person believes Trump is, either personally or politically.

As that person believes Hillary would be even worse - given that most people can't seem to accept that our two-candidate system doesn't work very well for offering choices or getting quality people into office - they'll probably vote for Trump.

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:15 pm

Son, I don't know how manybelections you've seen, but there have been a staggering number of qualified candidates up to this point. I mean, there is no 'special training' that makes you qualified - it's not a class in college - and yet the system keeps producing qualified candidates. Almost as if the primary qualification is to be able to get a coalition to agree with your policies through a combination of personal charisma and deal brokering.

Trump is the only candidate in my lifetime who is not qualified to be president.

If elected, I would expect him to be the worst president after Buchanan, and only because slavery was abolished by Constitutional amendment.

Occluded Sun · Post by **Occluded Sun** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:19 pm

deaddmwalking wrote:Trump is the only candidate in my lifetime who is not qualified to be president.

I think we live in totally different worlds.

I've spoken with multiple people who claim they dislike Trump but hate and loathe Clinton and are therefore voting for Trump. Maybe it's otherwise in your reality.

How do you send your posts across the dimensional barriers?

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:31 pm

Occluded Sun wrote:
deaddmwalking wrote:Trump is the only candidate in my lifetime who is not qualified to be president.
I think we live in totally different worlds.

I've spoken with multiple people who claim they dislike Trump but hate and loathe Clinton and are therefore voting for Trump. Maybe it's otherwise in your reality.

How do you send your posts across the dimensional barriers?

Knowing racists who want to bring back the good old days of slavery who don't like Clinton doesn't actually mean she's unqualified.

Occluded Sun · Post by **Occluded Sun** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:33 pm

Let's do a bit of calibration.

Do you think Barack Obama was qualified to be President when he was first elected to the position?

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:44 pm

Occluded Sun wrote:Let's do a bit of calibration.

Do you think Barack Obama was qualified to be President when he was first elected to the position?

He was eminently qualified to give speeches and listen to advisors.

Also to maintain existing relationships, and making bonding visits with friends and allies around the world. (Things Trump would definitely fail at)

What, exactly, do you think the president does?

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:51 pm

Occluded Sun wrote:Let's do a bit of calibration.

Do you think Barack Obama was qualified to be President when he was first elected to the position?

Yes. The qualifications for being President are basically not that different from being a Senator.

I can't, off the top of my head, think of a single sitting senator not qualified to be president. I mean, lots of them would make terrible presidents for reasons besides their qualifications for the position, but Ted Cruz is eminently qualified, even if he's a fucking monster who would destroy the country.

EDIT: To be clear, I mean in a looser, non-constitutional sense. Trump is still completely unqualified.

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:22 am

Yes. I think Obama was qualified to be president before he served his first term. He was elected to statewide office is a populous, diverse state (Illinois) and had previously seorn an oath to uphold the Constitution.

Trump is on record REPEATEDLY calling for acts that are blatantly unconstitutional . Now, I would expect someone running for president to know how many articles there are tonthe Constitution, but even if we call that a 'gotcha' question, the man remains unqualified just on that score.

If Glenn Beck and I are in agreement on something, there are only two possibilities. Either the subject in question is so fucking obvious thatnwe cannot find a way to disagree (the sky is blue, Trump is not qualified to be president) or I am committed to an asylum and you are only a figment of my delusional mind. If you profess to exist, I think you'll have to agree that Trump is the only major party candidate unqualified to be president.

But don't take my word. Ask the Arizona Guardian , a paper that has Never Ever in its entire history endorsed a Democrat for president.

Link .

The reason Trump thinks the media has launched a conspiracy against him, even though they are a fracticious lot, is that anyone with experience in presidential politics shares the view thatbhenis unqualified because (pick all or one) he is a liar, a misogynist, a bigot, a demagogue, a fascist.

If you think the job of the president is to pick fights with former Miss Universe pageant winners, Trump is your man. If you have any other definition he is woefully unqualified. The only thing that scared me about him is how many people still ignore their common sense and every piece of wisdom from experts on presidential politics and intend to vote for him anyways. My only consolation is that 25% of Americans believe anything (ghosts, UFOs, Guardian Angels) so more than half of his support comes from people who do not believe on 'evidence' as a requirement to an 'informed' opinion.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:10 am

https://thinkprogress.org/john-mccain-r ... .vtxhhgxs5

Everybody probably already knew this was coming, but...yeah, I don't think President Hillary Clinton is going to get a honeymoon period. I think the GOP is going to double-down on being obstructionist as long as they have a majority. Which means we're really hoping for the Democrats to get a majority in the Senate so that something can get done before the midterms, in a basic replay of the first couple years of Obama's presidency.

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:24 am

Fortunately, the Dems have held the edge in the control of the Senate projections since August, and recently spiked hard. Given that the Republicans have stopped even pretending their obstruction is anything other than partisan ratfucking, I don't imagine the Dems would hesitate to remove the filibuster for Supreme Court nominations.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:46 am

Donald Trump does something every day that demonstrates he is unqualified for high office. He is openly hostile to pluralistic society, our constitutional system, and even the concept of the rule of law. He doesn't know how any of the systems that govern our country, operate the economy, or maintain relations across national borders work - and worse than that he doesn't care that he doesn't know and is completely unwilling to find out even when there is a group of experts literally lined up at his door begging to teach him for free.

This is way beyond Donald Trump having bad policy ideas or being corrupt or supporting the vindictive marginalization of minorities - although of course all of those things are true about him. Trump has an obvious dangerous lack of understanding of every part of every thing that the President of the United States does and stands for, and he is so lazy and narcissistic that he has bluntly refused to become informed on these extremely basic issues for months despite being the nominee of a major political party and literally having no other job.

Donald Trump isn't just an ignorant asshole with bad ideas and an open hostility to numerous demographic groups in our society. He is a man who simply refuses to attempt to learn enough about issues to make informed decisions. That's fucking terrifying.

Whether it's on foreign policy where he casually suggests that there should be a nuclear arms race on the Korean Peninsula or boasts about converting NATO to an extortion racket that loots Eastern Europe or simply goes off on a rant complaing about the rent he thinks we pay on a military base in Saudia Arabia that was closed over a decade ago; or domestic policy where he has floated fucking lynching as a solution to crime anddKansas style governmental insolvency as a solution to declining manufacturing industries; Trump has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. And what's worse is that he doesn't know and doesn't care that he is comepletely full of shit. Aghast op-eds appear in every paper talking about tiny facets of his bullshit river and it doesn't even bother him. At no time does he say "Gosh, I should really learn more about tax policy" or "I should read up on NATO commitments, why they were made and what they mean today." He just bumblefucks around shouting at clouds and spouting off crazy shit your racist uncle says. Which is literally and specifically no way to run a country.

-Username17

maglag · Post by **maglag** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:44 am

Meh, Bush the second probably didn't even know how to read and he got elected.

Twice.

As far as the GOP cares the president doesn't need to know shit, he only needs to repeat what the weapon and oil industries tell him to say. Thanks to advanced ear mics, the president doesn't even need a decent memory to decorate the speeches.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:21 pm

"This election is like if your friends pick dinner and 3 vote pizza and 2 vote “kill and eat you”. Even if pizza wins, there’s a big problem."

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:00 pm

What tabletop RPG's do Trump supporters play the most

Wiseman · Post by **Wiseman** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:06 pm

How much of a chance does trump even stand of winning at this point?

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:08 pm

Wiseman wrote:How much of a chance does trump even stand of winning at this point?

Basically none.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:15 pm

Wiseman wrote:How much of a chance does trump even stand of winning at this point?

According to the spooks at 538, about 12% right now. Depends on what model you believe, though. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/201 ... -forecast/

sendaz · Post by **sendaz** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:27 pm

OgreBattle wrote:What tabletop RPG's do Trump supporters play the most

Depends on who you ask and the game

http://6d6rpg.com/rpg/republicans-dont-play-dd/

While not really a full on RPG, there is the tabletop game Election USA
https://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/10/10815.phtml

Red_Rob · Post by **Red_Rob** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:28 pm

OgreBattle wrote:What tabletop RPG's do Trump supporters play the most

Old school D&D

deaddmwalking · Post by **deaddmwalking** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:36 pm

Did Occluded Sun realize he was being stupid and slink off? I was hoping he would entertain us by offering a 'rebuttal'.

Hiram McDaniels · Post by **Hiram McDaniels** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:19 am

Occluded Sun wrote:Let's do a bit of calibration.

Do you think Barack Obama was qualified to be President when he was first elected to the position?

He's an attorney with a specialization in constitutional law, so yes and also go fuck yourself.

MGuy · Post by **MGuy** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:41 am

deaddmwalking wrote:Did Occluded Sun realize he was being stupid and slink off? I was hoping he would entertain us by offering a 'rebuttal'.

I normally take it that when OS doesn't respond to something that it is something that he already knows is Racist/Sexist/somehow otherwise terrible and merely opts to not say it specifically while still believing 'it' is right. I'm more surprised that he didn't try to dance around the subject a bit more without ever actually saying that he thinks that Trump and Hillary are equally bad.

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:09 am

Occluded Sun didn't post for nearly a month (since Sep. 24th), then came back and made a handful of posts all on Oct. 17th. I think he might just not be around very much. I actually thought he'd been gone longer. Maybe his September visit was also a brief return that I missed, I didn't think to check when I was looking at his post history and I'm too lazy to go back now.