spongeknight wrote:Kaelik wrote:spongeknight wrote:
Actually, a woman can't rape a man in America. I mean that literally: the law does not define a woman forcefully putting a man's penis into her vagina, or inserting the penis of a man unable to consent, as rape. It's just not in the rape laws. The most they can be charged with is sexual assault.
That's kind of fucked up, right?
You are a fucking idiot, and you should never ever talk about legal matters ever again.
Every state has different rape laws. Some of them have super shitty laws where when the President of Elect of the United States raped his then wife, it wasn't rape, because there is no marital rape (very few states are this bad), some states have gender in their rape statutes, or define it in terms of penetrating the victim. But those are also not all that common.
But for example, in the three most populous states, what you said is categorically false.
In New York and California, the relevant physical act is "sexual intercourse" which does not at any point say that being the woman doesn't count, and in Texas the law defines the acts separately and says "causes the sexual organ of another person, without that person's consent, to contact or penetrate the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of another person, including the actor;" Or you know, still rape if you are the woman if you cause the act without their consent.
So you are pretty much completely wrong and full of shit, please never pretend to understand the law again.
Rape in the United States is defined by the Department of Justice as "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."
Rape is defined by the FBI's Uniform Crime Report as "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."
So yes, individual states can
expand the definition of rape to include female on male rape, but the national definitions do not include that. And as I was obviously talking about the national definitions when I specified America instead of my individual state, why don't you fuck off?
Are you competing in a contest to be the dumbest person in the universe? Because you are fucking winning.
1) Let's start with your colossal stupidity and work back to your regular stupidity.
If you walked up to a person right now, and they were not a federal employee (and you are not in the District of Columbia, or perhaps currently inside a Post Office or Courthouse) and raped them, the federal government would not and LITERALLY COULD NOT prosecute you for rape. Like, the FBI could watch it happen, and they might stop it in the moment, but they totally could not prosecute you for it because it is not a federal crime. It is a state crime, that violates the laws of whatever state you are in. States are literally incapable of expanding the FBI's definition of rape, because States do not have the right to change anything about federal law, or in this case federal organizational policy, but they can and totally do in all cases define state crimes that are against the law in that state, that are actual things you can be prosecuted for, because that's how the criminal law actually works in reality.
2) Second, the FBI's Uniform Crime Report is, unsurprisingly for people able to read, a REPORT on crime, not a prosecution of crime, because the Federal Government does not in fact have the authority to define what is a state crime. It is a fucking REPORT where the FBI is
classifying state crimes, and it has a definition for how to classify crimes that does not in any way even remotely, determine whether or not you can be prosecuted for a crime.
The Department of Justice definition may be the same, or it may be part of federal laws governing the rape of federal employees, or the District of Columbia. But in no case does it have any fucking government over what happens when a person in any fucking state rapes any other person in that state (excepting possibly, if they are federal employees).
3) NEITHER OF THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE GENDERED!!!!!!!!!!!! Your entire point is undermined by your own stupid citations to not laws that don't govern rape in the United States, because both of those laws say "Penetration of the Vagina by a sex organ of another person without the consent of the victim" which means that if you are a woman, and you penetrate your own vagina with the sex organ of another person, a man, without his consent, then YOU COMMITTED RAPE UNDER THE FBI AND DOJ DEFINITIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TL;DR: You are wrong in literally every way it is possible to be wrong, and in addition to never being allowed to talk about legal matters, you are never allowed to talk about the federal or state governments, since your understanding of their relationship is so bad it basically consists of anti-knowledge that would explode if it came into contact with actual knowledge.