MGuy wrote:Let me put it this way. No one cares whether you like their use of the word Mary Sue so why don't you suck a snorble? Yea you get people who staunchly refuse to engage in what actual people arguing mean when they say Mary Sue instead of the definition you want them to use as it was crafted for fanfic but no one in the conversation cares and people like you get stuck in a dumb semantic debate instead of playing ball and actually getting into the real meat which is actually the cultural debate over Rey and what she represents.
Beyond that your reframing the argument, comparing Rey to other common boring protagonists? That's not what Star Wars fans are on about. Hell there was a ton of dislike for fucking Star Killer but he was just some no note in a Star Wars game. I personally don't care that Rey is a shitty female protagonist no matter what dumb word you want to make up to describe her as but you can't get to the real meat of the conversation as long as you want to argue about semantics or whataboutisms about other franchises that have other rules and set ups. You compare Rey a Star Wars protagonist to other Star Wars protagonists because that's what fucking Star Wars fans are interested in. There's clearly an argument you WANT to have here about how she fits in with other protagonists but that is simply not the conversation anyone is having. Trying to use that as evidence of anything and basing your argument off of some assumption is just you justifying arguing in bad faith (again).
I am endlessly amazed at how stupid you don't realize you are.
HARRY POTTER FLY GOOD. NO REASON GIVE. NARRATIVE NO EXPLAIN. JUST FLY GOOD BECAUSE. YOUNGEST SEEKER EVER. GOOD OTHER THINGS. NOT ALL THINGS. PRETTY GOOD THOUGH. COMPETENCE IMPLAUSIBLE, YES? NO ONE CARE. HARRY POTTER CRITICAL ACCLAIM. NO MOB CHANT MARY SUE. MAYBE IS? NO CARE. FUN THINK ABOUT MAYBE. NOT SEEM IMPORTANT.
REY ALSO FLY GOOD. NO REASON GIVE. NARRATIVE NO EXPLAIN. JUST GOOD BECAUSE. COMPETENCE IMPLAUSIBLE, YES? EVERYONE CARE. ANGRY INTERNET MEN CHANT MARY SUE. MARY SUE, MARY SUE. MAYBE IS? HARD SAY. WORD SMALL BUT DIFFICULT. NO CARE. ANGRY INTERNET MEN CHANT MARY SUE ANYWAY.
NOT WHATABOUTISM. DEMONSTRATE INCONSISTENCY. ONE THING ONE WAY. OTHER THING OTHER WAY. BUT THING VERY SAME. WHY OTHER WAY? DIFFERENT AUDIENCE? BUT WHY MATTER? STAR WARS NO TEACH WHAT MARY SUE MEAN. HARRY POTTER NO TEACH WHAT MARY SUE MEAN. PEOPLE LEARN MARY SUE FROM FUNNYTALKS ON INTERNET. EVERYONE FUNNYTALKS ON INTERNET. HYPOTHESIS THAT DIFFERENT FANBASES DEFINE MARY SUE DIFFERENTLY STUPID. STUPIDER THAN ALL CAPS CAVEMAN RANT. BETTER HYPOTHESIS THAT PEOPLE BIAS, NO THINK GOOD. INCONSISTENT. LIKE ONE THING, HATE OTHER THING. NO SAY BAD THING ABOUT THING LIKE. SAY BAD THING ABOUT THING HATE. THING HATE MARY SUE. THING LIKE WHO CARE MAYBE IS? NOT IMPORTANT. IMPORTANT SAY MEAN THING THING HATE, THOUGH. VERY IMPORTANT.
CROSS-FRANCHISE ANALYSIS OF LITERARY TROPES NOT WHATABOUTISM. CROSS-FRANCHISE ANALYSIS OF LITERARY TROPES LITERALLY HOW TROPES DEFINED. IF EVERY FRANCHISE ISLAND, NO TROPE. TROPE IMPOSSIBLE. TROPE IS PATTERN. ONE NOT MAKE PATTERN. MANY IS MAKE PATTERN. NEED MANY DEFINE TROPE. NO CROSS-FRANCHISE ANALYSIS OF LITERARY TROPES, NO MARY SUE. MARY SUE TROPE. MARY SUE PATTERN. ONE FRANCHISE, NO PATTERN. REY NO MARY SUE. MARY SUE CHARACTER FROM PARODY STAR TREK FANFICTION. REY REY, MARY SUE MARY SUE. MARY SUE DEFINED OUTSIDE OF STAR WARS. IF STAR WARS ISLAND, NO STAR WARS MARY SUE. NOT POSSIBLE. NEED USE MANY DEFINE PATTERN. STAR WARS NO DEFINE PATTERN ALONE. NOT MAKE SENSE. VERY SILLY. COMPARISON INTRINSIC TO CRITICISM OF THE MEDIUM. NO DISCUSSION WITHOUT.
ME THINK DONE NOW. YOU FUNNY, BUT UNPLEASANT. NOT GOOD LAUGH. ANGRY LAUGH. WHY HE SAY THIS THING? HE NOT REALIZE? HOW NOT? VERY OBVIOUS. NO FUN EXPLAIN. TRY MAKE FUN EXPLAIN TALK STUPID. LITTLE FUN. NOT ENOUGH FUN. PLUS PEOPLE HATE. JOKE OLD FIRST PARAGRAPH, BUT KEEP GOING. NOT LIKE BE MORE FUN IF STOP. COMMITMENT IMPORTANT, EVEN WHEN BIT BAD. GALLAGHER RIGHT, COMEDY LIKE SLEDGHAMMER. HM. MAYBE THAT NOT METAPHOR. MAYBE JUST FUNNY MAN SMASH THING.