This person does have a point, multiple people have done Same game test with varying testing parameters.fliprushman wrote: I do pay attention to these test despite the validity. One thing that I have noticed is what people set up as the encounters. Each person does something different for the challenges. I think that these test need a common set of challenges that uses several different builds, not just the more powerful or optimized ones. Maybe take the character through a written adventure solo and see if the character could survive each encounter 50% and record those results. I think the results would have a little more validity and show off what is actually weak in the class and how it truly compares to the other classes.
- Squirrelloid: 1,4, 7, etc until it stop being competitive with and average non optimized build. Using monsters on home turf
- Bigode: 5, 10, 15 with standard build with some utilitarian items and a couple of mundane items and mostly pure number boosters. Also uses monsters on home turf. For each challenge does x out of 3.
- Leress: 10 with slightly optimized build with pure number boosters rarely with any utilitarian items. Using monsters on home turf.
- Test levels 5, 7, 10, and 15 since these seem like the most reasonable places to look for cracks in the classes.
- 30 point buy
- Pure number boosters (belts of strength)
- Few Utilitarian items (sap, torch, flour)
- x out of 3 per challenge of that level to determine effectiveness
- Using the combat tactics of the creature
- Using the Environment they are usually said that they live. If "any" then use a dungeon.
- Feats from at least PHB, MM1, and Book X**
- Falling into a pit trap is considered a loss. (It doesn't matter if they take no damage from it)
Doing this may help with some parts of the discussing about the game when using the same game test.*
*I am talking about mostly with Pathfinder discussions.
**If it is put into a supplement then the feats that are in that book as well.
I know this won't solve all the discussion problem when using the Same Game test, but it will make it easier for those who use it go through the data a little faster.