2024 Election Thread

[Thaluikhain]

Yeah, was thinking that, but if they are a bot, they are sometimes smarter than the average bear bot, so was unsure until this last post.

[Kaelik]

I remember the first post I ever read I thought was AI, but then when I looked at it the next day I had a Mandela effect thing where I thought the post was something completely different. I've suspected AI a little bit, but nothing stood out as proof. I quote tweeted that post just in case it changed, because it was so clearly just the same post slightly reworded.

I remember looking at all their posts and seeing some posts in the like choose your own adventure thread that looked normal, but I don't read those threads, so if they just copied the same vote as the person above them I wouldn't have noticed.

[phlapjackage]

After I saw Morgan13 post in the D&D movie thread I became confident they are an AI. They are probably an LLM masquerading as a person by posting fairly noncontroversial things that fit into various threads at a rate that is so infrequent it's easy to mistake them for a real poster, they do this in all threads they post in.

Thanks, this was also driving me crazy wondering what was up with them. It wasn't the usual word-spam-gibberish so I thought it was a person at first but the posts just are so...not completely real thoughts. It's like the uncanny valley but for posts.

I guess AI/chatbots aren't at the level that they can quote other posts or respond directly to people talking to/about them.

(ps I'm aware that this post is also low effort and non-controversial)

[Omegonthesane]

This also makes sense of the Morgan13 post reacting with apparent shock when I recounted the story of the Major Solomon Berg incident wrt Kerry Cassidy's conspiracy podcast - as if I'd written a storyline instead of recounting what other people came up with.

[PseudoStupidity]

As a much more advanced stupid AI (you thought this username was a joke?) I am good at catching fellow robots.

[deaddmwalking]

Ohio's 6th District (outside of Akron on the eastern border) just had a special election and the Republican candidate won by about 10 points.

What's surprising is that it appears that this is an area that Trump won by about 33 points in 2020. This is an area that doesn't have a lot of college educated voters - it's rural, blue-collar - the type of place you expect Republican candidates to do well. There's not an obvious reason that the Republican candidate would do so poorly relative to the last election. It appears to fall into the category of Democratic overperformance and I'll be very curious to see a more detailed analysis by where exactly the votes were cast and how the final numbers come out.

Something very weird seems to have happened there.

[Kaelik]

Not actually that weird that the party that overturned Roe v Wade has underperformed every election since then.

Turns out, all those polls that said most people support abortion were probably correct.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Remind me again the huge decisive actions to restore Roe vs Wade that are the sole campaign plank the Democrats are relying on?

No chance they'd be putting zero effort into that and just hoping it still helps them enough to win anyway right?

[Kaelik]

The guy who's been funded with more money then has ever been spent in an entire house race, general and primary, by AIPAC to unseat current house member Jamal Bowman in the primary said a racist and sexist thing about how Andrew Cuomo was lynched like Emmet Till in 2021, and it came out during an interview and was made public today when a black woman called in and questioned him about it, and then he went on a NEW racist rant today.

Anyway, today Hillary Clinton endorsed him a few hours later.

Anyway, he's also promised to Oppose Joe Biden's Radical Leftist Agenda.

Democrats cannot help but want every single safe democratic seat to be filled with some fucking republican so that no one ever votes against a billion more dollars of bombs, or supports medicare for all.

[PseudoStupidity]

Oh man that debate was fucking bad for Biden, he was incoherent and looked like he was a zombie. Open calls from the NYT and other media outlets for him to drop out as well.

How the fuck do you manage to make Trump look coherent? Astounding work, Democrats, you are running a candidate who can barely even talk and now you have to do some weird maneuvers at the convention or you will definitely lose the election.

[Kaelik]

As a counterpoint: People who watched this stupid debate already knew who they were going to vote for and that Biden is half out to lunch, and people who don't know who they are going to vote for will only ever make that decision based on which old senile guy looked cooler in October.

But it is very funny that the people who were very sure that doing a genocide was not grounds to step down as candidate or president are now all very upset that he incoherently mumbled for 90 minutes, so now it's time for him to step down.

Lowkey I just think they are mad because now they have to admit that some random twitter people saying he was senile look right, and that's really the worst crime a president can commit to the NYT, make the elite taste makers look silly.

[MGuy]

I really didn't care about the fact that there was going to be a debate but I have to admit that at least this result is funny for the reasons kaelik laid out. Of course there's been talk of Biden stepping down well before now for various reasons and this reaction probably doesn't bode well for the Biden administration. With even the sycophants starting to sweat there's blood in the water. I didn't watch even a second of the debate yet soon after it ended the overwhelming take away that I gleaned from the media is that Biden somehow fucked it up.

[PseudoStupidity]

It certainly does vindicate all of us on the Internet who said Biden's brain doesn't work right. Motherfucker said we "beat medicaid" (it doesn't make sense in context either) and constantly just kind of trailed off or got confused mid-sentence. It was a train wreck and totally worth the watch if you want to see a dying old man alternate between standing with his mouth agape and muttering gibberish like he just read the Necronomicon. Other than that it's just two horrible old men competing to see who can be the most racist.

[Stahlseele]

So, what would be worse.
Genocide due to incompetence or Intentional Genocide?
Because for me looking at this from the outside, that seems to be the outcome here.

And it will be interesting to see wether people vote for somebody who is clearly not completely there anymore or for somebody who is still there but also a colossal asshole on purpose.

[Omegonthesane]

Biden's complicity, nay, active involvement in the genocide of Gaza is an intentional thing not a matter of incompetence. So we'd be going from intentional genocide to intentional genocide, and there really isn't anything Trump can materially do to further support the extermination the Israelis are perpetrating.

[deaddmwalking]

there really isn't anything Trump can materially do to further support the extermination the Israelis are perpetrating.

Hold my beer....

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Hold my beer....

I'll believe it when I see it.

Which I probably will.

Since Trump is so very likely to win and do that now.

THANKS TO YOU.

Don't go fucking gloating about how Trump is worse. Trump is YOUR CREATION.

[MGuy]

I kind of think that the problem with gloating about how the dude he's bootlicking is not doing a genocide as bad as he believes another guy could do genocide is a terrible thing on its face. More evidence that dead actually does not care about the actual people that these elections doom. Dead's pro genocide, wishes poor people would smile more, etc etc. All well established lore.

More importantly Biden is himself a Zionist. Even if he weren't a corpse he'd likely be making the same choices he already has. So this isn't genocide due to Biden's incompetence. This is genocide because Biden is in support of it. For his supporters, as dead has demonstrated time and again, the genocide doesn't matter to them. What matters to people like dead is that their horse wins the race because otherwise his time on social media will be slightly worse because he'll be reading about how Trump is in charge doing trump policies instead of Biden being in charge doing Trump policies.

[PseudoStupidity]

That's our resident genocide apologist, deaddmwalking, right on cue.

[Thaluikhain]

I'd not be surprised if Trump turned out to be even worse on this issue than Biden, there's always room for worse.

But, IIRC, he was also asking why the US keeps giving free stuff to Israel (and Ukraine). If he becomes PotUS, and limits US support for Israel's genocide to just what they are willing to pay for...it's the faintest of faint praise, but that'd be an improvement.

Christ.

[Omegonthesane]

I find it likely and have previously expressed on this forum, maybe this thread, that Trump would cut military aid to Ukraine between his general "stop spending money to help anyone" inclinations, his various personal ties to the Kremlin, and his faction's preference for cozying up to Putin instead of denouncing him (whether due to a 5-dimensional plan to try to undermine China's ties with its strongest ally in the region, or simple appreciation of a right wing strongman dictator). And the """best""" way that turns out is if it scares Zelensky into surrendering on terms the Kremlin would accept and Russia turns out to just want to steal enough territory to satisfy their alleged security concerns / are too much of a spent force and too busy consolidating their gains to do more nefarious geopolitical things in the meantime. Which is a lot of big ifs, but the status quo is a meat grinder, so it's hard to make worse unless you're super invested in a line on a map that decides which group of capitalists get to exploit the workers stuck there.

There's no particular reason to assume he'd cut funding to the Gaza front, however, but there really isn't anything transformatively bad left that he could have Amerika do to aid and abet the murder of Palestinians. And he's as likely to spend any money saved from pulling out of Ukraine on tax breaks and domestic atrocities as on sending post-saturation amounts of genocide equipment to the zionist entity.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

I don't think its worth challenging it when people like DeadDM say Trump will be worse.

OK, sure, WHY DID YOU PUT HIM WHERE HE IS THEN?

We told him what pushing for Biden would do. Now its obvious even to him that we were right and their solution STILL is to continue to whine about "Trump Bad" then the forces which created him are bad, or in otherwords "If Trump Bad, then DeadDM Bad" especially given all the warnings over the years.

This is typical liberal Toddler Brain. They got their way, they were warned of the outcome, the predicted outcome is coming to pass, and they are mad at those that warned them and told them to act differently.

[Kaelik]

I don't think its worth challenging it when people like DeadDM say Trump will be worse.

OK, sure, WHY DID YOU PUT HIM WHERE HE IS THEN?

We told him what pushing for Biden would do. Now its obvious even to him that we were right and their solution STILL is to continue to whine about "Trump Bad" then the forces which created him are bad, or in otherwords "If Trump Bad, then DeadDM Bad" especially given all the warnings over the years.

This is typical liberal Toddler Brain. They got their way, they were warned of the outcome, the predicted outcome is coming to pass, and they are mad at those that warned them and told them to act differently.

Extremely French Election syndrome. If Biden wins, 2028 will just be 2024 French elections, the only way that won't happen is because probably Biden and Macron will both reach the inevitable end of neoliberalism in the same year.

[Kaelik]

So there are three way run offs in most of France, and the left just announced that whereever they are third, they are going to drop out so Macron parties can be more likely to get the seats, without splitting the anti fascist vote.

Macron's party has, unsurprisingly, not adopted this same strategy, and instead plans to split the vote.

Where Macronists are not in runoff, people should vote for a candidate of Left bloc, *if* that candidate is center-left (so PS+Green, not LFI).

(From Edouard Phillippe)

[deaddmwalking]

We told him what pushing for Biden would do.

I've never failed to vote in a primary. I've never voted for Biden in a primary.

I voted for Biden in the 2020 general election. I live in Tennessee where my vote didn't count.