2024 Election Thread

[Kaelik]

It's very funny that deaddm thinks when people say that it would be better if Sanders were president he instinctively assumes they must be a personality cult who worship their godking, like he worships his.

Yeah man, he endorsed him in 2020 and Clinton in 2016. He's the least shitty democrat, constantly endorsing the democrats while niavely hoping to convince people who revel in the suffering of others that they can reduce suffering.

[deaddmwalking]

It's very funny that deaddm thinks...

It's very funny that you keep claiming you know what I think. You don't.

[Kaelik]

It's very funny that you keep claiming you know what I think. You don't.

Again, it's super obvious what you think from what you say. No one is baffled by the enigmatic posts of deaddm when he posts a thing about Sanders endorsing Biden. We can all figure it out.

[Kaelik]

Meanwhile Joe Biden has switched up his campaign, and will now be running exclusively on the campaign that Donald Trump needs to be President so that he can deal with the True Enemies, the Left.

Within hours of Saturday's shooting, Biden's campaign was pulling down television ads and suspending other political communications, including those that had highlighted Trump's May felony conviction in New York state court

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Rather than verbally attacking Trump in the coming days, the White House and the Biden campaign will draw on the president's history of condemning all sorts of political violence including his sharp criticism of the "disorder" created by campus protests over the Israel-Gaza conflict, campaign officials said on condition of anonymity.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden- ... 024-07-14/

[Kaelik]

Just want to stress what a JOKE the term "political violence" is.

To prove he's AGAINST political violence, Joe Biden will cite how he supports having cops break up peaceful protests with beatings and violence in support of a genocidal bombing campaign.

"Violence" is good, violence for political ends is good, violence done by politicians is good. It's only when you do violence against politicians that it becomes "political" and then bad. All the other violence is good though!

[PseudoStupidity]

Isn't Trump a fascist threat to democracy according to Joe Biden? Why the fuck wouldn't he be happy somebody tried to end that threat? Pulling campaign ads is fucking stupid. Run the ads dummy, Trump is the exact same guy he was 2 days ago before somebody tried to perforate his head. Actually try to win the election at all, Joe. Isn't the soul of America at stake or some shit?

[MGuy]

It's ok because if Joe loses he'll have tried his very best and THAT is what really matters (according to him). Something very funny nearly happened and alas all we're going to get from this is Biden taking an even worse approach.

[phlapjackage]

Isn't Trump a fascist threat to democracy according to Joe Biden? Why the fuck wouldn't he be happy somebody tried to end that threat?

My feeling on that is, he doesn't want "political violence" to be on the table at all to make it less likely that it's directed at him. The same way lords needed to act lordly so the masses wouldn't start having ideas about another way to do things.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Its just a way of distracting from the dementia/replace Biden narrative and tying himself to the stronger post assassination narrative in an attempt to appear somehow indispensable.

If he hasn't said it already you just wait... "Yes Trump needs to be defeated, but in the proper democratic way, which only I Queen Biden of England can do!" "wait wait... I caught myself there, I mean Harris, Harris has to be defeated democratically so we decree!"

[Kaelik]

Meanwhile shooting is coming off more like a classic American school shooting, but at a presidential candidate instead of a school, as we find out stuff.

Just the most American thing at all. Still jfk is the last even possibly political assassination attempt. We just have so many guns people do apolitical presidential assassination attempts.

[PseudoStupidity]

From what I've read he was a loner with basically no friends (all according to classmates) who liked to do weird gun culture shit like wear hunting gear to school. He was reportedly bullied regularly and belonged to a gun club. Registered Republican but also donated to that inauguration thing for Biden in 2021.

This guy has the standard school shooter background, an isolated suburban gun nut child.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Well you see. He might be registered Republican, and recently, and have all that gun culture stuff and what not. But its not the most recent and strongest evidence that counts. Its not what some is when they commit a crime that matters, its what they might have been some time well before that.

So what matters is the fact that he once threw 15 bucks at a left affiliated charity for unknown reasons. Which importantly no true Republican or right wing gun nut can do or ever has done even before they formed their current opinions!

So THAT overrides everything else and proves that it was GAY CHINESE ANTIFA!

Or you know as a relatively normie American lunatic the only really important thing was the gun nut bit and his politics were probably incoherent leaning right wing libertarian nonsense.

[virgil]

I swear I heard somewhere that the $15 (which is like half the price of his Republican t-shirt) was actually a donation from some random adult with the same name.

[Kaelik]

I swear I heard somewhere that the $15 (which is like half the price of his Republican t-shirt) was actually a donation from some random adult with the same name.

It's definitely possible.

But yeah, this is just garden variety school shooter, but school was out and the president was in town, it seems.

[Thaluikhain]

Isn't Trump a fascist threat to democracy according to Joe Biden? Why the fuck wouldn't he be happy somebody tried to end that threat?

My feeling on that is, he doesn't want "political violence" to be on the table at all to make it less likely that it's directed at him. The same way lords needed to act lordly so the masses wouldn't start having ideas about another way to do things.

To be flippant, it's not surprising that a soon to be former president doesn't want people shooting at former presidents.

[MGuy]

Kinda ruins the game they were playing. Trump needs to be the greatest threat to democracy ever to make it with voting for a genocidal corpse.

[tussock]

For the US, Trump is going to be terrible. Mainly because he wants a trade war with China, already talking up massive tarrifs and forcing other Asian countries to do the same, and like, a great deal of US industry, and therefore jobs, relies on importing low value and exporting high value shit to and from China, often via patent rights through South Korea and such. China has been clear that, if they have to, they will take the time to develop replacements for the high value shit, and once they start, it'll take a decade, but still, the US doesn't have a lot left it does really well, I suspect someone taking those last things over would be bad for the US.

He'll probably greatly increase arms spending around the world, as he wants every other nation to be spending the same proportion of their economy on arms as the US does (well, NATO, but it won't stop there). Which, like, it would be better if that money went into, say, solar panels, or you know, there's the whole climate crisis thing, it's not helped by everyone building more tanks and fighter planes, and yeah. That totally would pull money and materials out of things that are very important. Trump literally thinks climate change is a fake conspiracy lead by the Chinese government to ... yeah, it gets weird, but he's gunna be very bad there.

Oh, and he does, still, talk up coal, despite every fucking person everywhere, even the billionaires, telling him coal is toxic and economic poison. They had to beg him last time he was in office to not force them onto coal for more things. Coal will, for reference, kill absolutely everyone if we keep at it, we must choose to stop using it, which we have not done despite it's continued use being much more expensive than it's total replacement.

Sure, he's also promised to lock up the democratic leadership, and appoint his son to be the next president, and so on, but he did that last time too, and was far more danger to his Vice President than any of them. He has already done that with the courts and such, appointed his own judge to hear of his crimes, and she said it was fine. He's also not at all unique to the Republican party there. They have given up on making Hispanic people White, and are going with Jim Crow again, full on. They intend to have a White minority government, while forcing as much breeding as they can out of the White women, and enslaving the children of everyone else to "save them" from the enforced poverty and new crimes of poverty they are also creating. Young "work legal" house slaves for everyone, while schools are forced to teach how fun slavery was and is for the slaves. It's pretty grim.

I guess, I get the feels the Republicans in general desperately want him to go full fascist and start up the death camps, but, that's probably a lot of work and he's just not going to bother. He'll pardon plenty of famous murderers, and try to make killing Black people into a popular weekend hobby, but then actually if it gets to be a lot he'll get bored and not do that. You can sort of see why Black folk are going be like 90% Biden voters, still.

But, none of that will slow down if Biden is the next president, as the Supreme court will overrule anything he does, especially if it would make anyone's life better, and Biden will not do anything about the Supreme court, other than ask Republicans to play nice. Which, they're still not gunna do that. There will still be guns everywhere and a couple of mass shootings every day, so common it's not even news unless someone clips a presidential candidate, or kills more than five school children in one go. And almost all of those are some fucking Nazi shooting at minority groups, Black, Jewish, Hispanic, happening right now, and will not slow down if Biden is president again.

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Like, Biden showed you what he was in the first two years, when he could literally do anything, what he did was put forward a massive infrastructure bill, and then deliberately tank it by insisting the Republican minority have a big say in how it was passed. Which, they blocked it for him, and he passed a little piss ant bill instead. Where the US now spends somewhat closer to the maintenance rate for infrastructure than it did previously, but still well below just holding even. And then otherwise, like, he did actually appoint a lot of judges, but made sure to appoint a few Republican ones along the way, to make friends or some other deluded shit. Man still thinks it's the fucking 1960s, and does want to be friends with the racist assholes who hate him.

He did the same fucking thing as Obama's VP, he kept telling Obama to get Republican votes on things, like he could just make politics work like it did before the civil rights bill again. When he was already a politician, and good buddies with the Southern Democrats. As if Republicans were ever going to support the Black president on anything.

Where was I? Oh, right, either way, you've got an Octogenarian running the show, which, it's really hard work being 80. Your body just does not have the energy for that shit any more, it's just your mitochondria are running out, you can't do the ATP thing so good any more, by a lot, and it sucks. Whoever your president is, is going to suck at it, because he's too fucking old and has not enough energy for what is actually a huge job. Even last time, as relatively younger man, Trump often fucked things up because the meetings were too long and tiring and he just picked a random thing and told them to go do it before he fell asleep. That's how Iranian generals get bombed out of nowhere, and probably why the genocide in gaza continues. It's bad for everyone, everywhere.

Joe Biden is four years older than Bill Clinton, who was president 30 fucking years ago, but Trump is between their ages and has been a hateful racist and xenophobic piece of shit who idolises the 1950s for it's endless racist bullshittery since he was a child, and he will never change. Ideally one of them dies and you get the younger VP, and the new VP for Trump seems probably like a much worse person than the cop.

[Thaluikhain]

For the US, Trump is going to be terrible.

Well, yes.

Mainly because he wants a trade war with China,

That seems like a bold suggestion as to the main reason Trump would be terrible. Especially when you've got a long list of bad things about him that follows.

And while I'm not going to mention everything you said, this:

and probably why the genocide in gaza continues

C'mon, Biden didn't have "a senior moment" and support Israel's genocide for the last 9 or so months. That's not a whoopsie.

[Kaelik]

For the US, Trump is going to be terrible. Mainly because he wants a trade war with China,

Mainly? Mainly?

I confess I can't bring myself to read the rest of this very long post, but I'm just going to call bullshit here.

[PseudoStupidity]

Biden has COVID, maybe he'll drop the fuck out now. Or drop in a different way.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

The Covid will also be used as an attempt to run down the clock and declare inevitability.

Anyway, now Trump has a boost the already cowardly alternative Democrat candidates want to replace Biden (with their own personal precious fragile careers) even less.

Unless he dies. Maybe then there is a race to avoid replacing him that ends with a kick me sign taped to presidential candidate Kamala's back.

Maybe. I mean the core Biden loyalists running this scam have already been remarkably optimistic about puppetting this corpse as it is...

"Look, the president KNOWS that his eyeballs falling out at the second debate and a curtain dropping revealing several men in black stage hand gear manipulating him was a MISTAKE, but he is confident that as long as that doesn't happen TWO MORE TIMES in the next 5 minutes it might still turn around!"

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

So now they say "He might quit on the weekend!".

Based on... well, he said he might consider it if he had a (presumably new) medical condition! And Covid IS technically one of those. And the weekend is a time he could consider it on. And considering it means he might quit! And it would be a good timing to benefit everyone except Biden to do it then, and he cares about that right?

Sounds suspiciously like a mixture of pure wishcasting and also falling for even more run down the clock tactics from some sleezy liar in the shrinking Biden core saying "yeah yeah, maybe on the weekend, anything that gets us to the next media cycle yeah yeah sure all the maybes you want promised, now about getting that burger I will totally pay for on Tuesday"

In fact, I suspect most of the Biden inner core now are exclusively obscure unloved Popeye characters, many of which only exist in Biden's imagination.

[Kaelik]

Yeah I don't think Pelosi, Obama, and Schumer are leaking that they are begging Biden to resign because they really want him to stick around and it's a 4d chess strategy to buy time for an entire 3-4 days.

I don't know that he's going to resign, but it sure seems like being an old broken men and then getting Covid made it really hard for him to keep up this charade. If he gets better, maybe he stops considering it, but the leaks are definitely not to buy time. It doesn't buy time to say "hey your criticism is working, he's probably going to drop out."

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

It doesn't buy time to say "hey your criticism is working, he's probably going to drop out."

Buying time with promises of eventually maybe one day achieving something is the core Democrat political strategy.

You know. Incrementalism.

When boiled down to more personal simple matters, incrementalism is basically the J. Wimpy burgers paid for on Tuesday scam.

I wouldn't describe it as 4d chess. But however reasonable the rationale may be, past behavior suggests otherwise and I'll believe it when I see it, or at least have leaks daring to claim he WILL resign on the weekend, not MIGHT CONSIDER IT.

News stories about leaks about maybe considering something possibly perhaps in the future are largely meaningless with this party, this man, and specifically this decision.

[Kaelik]

Again, promising to maybe do something in the future is a thing democrats do to get people to do something for them. Like "I will totally do Supreme court reform if you reelect me" a thing biden did say before he got covid.

What is Nancy pelosi getting out of leaking that she's pressuring Joe biden to resign and he might do it by Sunday? The voters aren't doing a recall election on pelosi. This buys literally one fucking day, a Friday, of whatever it buys you. Because if he hasn't resigned by Monday, pelosi's staff are going to get more calls then they would have if she had just never leaked that she was pressuring him to resign.