Sure. Prague is a lot like a cross between a Kafkaesque madness scape and a cyberpunk sin reservation. And I mean that in a good way. It's pretty easy to get lost here, and I would be perfectly happy to show you around.
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As always, it's an issue of scale. Harming someone with a sword is an inherently entropic act, much like it's an inherently evil act. Incapacitating (possibly killing) someone to stop them from destroying a cathedral that is being erected is an ordered action.FrankTrollman wrote:Yeah, but how would you swing a sword for non-destruction? Seriously, what does the spell order's wrath even do?Neither is objectively good or bad. One set creates (for good or for evil), the other destroys (for good or for evil).
The two alignments aren't in strict opposition, however. They do more to predict a character's actions than to predict their effects.
What does order's wrath do? Nothing, it makes no sense in this context. Fabricate is an [order] spell; shatter is an [entropy] spell.
There's a difference between busy and chaotic, and using the civilization=order argument means that the parts of the city that are more chaotic are the ones where things are physically run down such that beasts/vermin start moving in (and the kind of life that rises from such).
Oh, you mean trying to fit that into established D&D lore? As for that, you're on your own there. There's nothing you can do without throwing something out, by this point.
Oh, you mean trying to fit that into established D&D lore? As for that, you're on your own there. There's nothing you can do without throwing something out, by this point.
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I can't remember where, but I do recall seeing "Chaotic damage" and "Lawful damage" listed. With any luck, it might have been some bullshit fan production such as by the guys that made the Neutronium Golem and all that.Bigode wrote:No, you are for making something stupid that doesn't exist, unless the blame lies on some sourcebook author who thought he had the power retroactively type the damage (possibly by writing something like the Fanboynomicon giving dragon resistance, which should definitely be called "armor of the hardest metal").Koumei wrote:Alignment damage types are just stupid.
But I wouldn't put it past WotC authors to have it listed somewhere obscure.
Me neither, but that sure wasn't on order's wrath. And I'm surprised that you didn't flame Frank yet for denouncing your true gender.Koumei wrote:But I wouldn't put it past WotC authors to have it listed somewhere obscure.
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Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
Same here, but I'm almost certain it appeared in an official WotC book.Koumei wrote:I can't remember where, but I do recall seeing "Chaotic damage" and "Lawful damage" listed. With any luck, it might have been some bullshit fan production such as by the guys that made the Neutronium Golem and all that.
But I wouldn't put it past WotC authors to have it listed somewhere obscure.
In fairness, it's an easy mistake to make. A holy longsword may technically deal +2d6 slashing damage to evil creatures...but "2d6 holy damage" is easier to say and remember.
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The weapon/damage may be aligned, but it's still slashing/bludgeoning/divine/whatever. A holy longsword does extra slashing damage to evil creatures AND the sword - not the extra damage - is good, which lets it bypass certain DRs.
Damn confusing alignment rules.
Damn confusing alignment rules.
MartinHarper wrote:Babies are difficult to acquire in comparison to other sources of nutrition.
Nope. A damage source can have/come from a subtype, but the damage type doesn't change.angelfromanotherpin wrote:Don't weapons sometimes do something like Chaotic/Lawful damage? You know, to bypass certain kinds of DR?
Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
You mean when he revealed the fact that, this being the Internet, it is a trap and I am none other than a MAN!, right? I found it funny. I mean, if I took offence to every joke made here, I'd be Crissa :tongue:Bigode wrote:And I'm surprised that you didn't flame Frank yet for denouncing your true gender.
Thanks, Koumei. You just won me a bet.Koumei wrote:You mean when he revealed the fact that, this being the Internet, it is a trap and I am none other than a MAN!, right? I found it funny. I mean, if I took offence to every joke made here, I'd be CrissaBigode wrote:And I'm surprised that you didn't flame Frank yet for denouncing your true gender.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Though the other half is definitely not fire damage, the rules don't identify any specific type for it.Flamestrike entry in the SRD wrote:Half the damage is fire damage, but the other half results directly from divine power and is therefore not subject to being reduced by resistance to fire-based attacks.
I seem to recall a line of Socratic argument that said that if what the gods like/want is holy, and because the gods disagree all the time, something can be both holy and unholy at the same time.Talisman wrote:No. It's divine damage: raw, untyped energy from a deity.
Remember, evil clerics can use Flame Strike also.
Or, to quote Terry Pratchett, just because it's not nice doesn't mean it's not a miracle.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
What bet?Maxus wrote:Thanks, Koumei. You just won me a bet.
Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
I bet my sister a car wash that Koumei would find Frank's crack about everyone on the Internet being a man funny.Bigode wrote:What bet?Maxus wrote:Thanks, Koumei. You just won me a bet.
Which I suppose I should explain.
Many of the people on the Den are sufficiently interesting and/or entertaining that I've told a few people I know about them--It kinda grew out of, "Hey, Alex, lemme use the Internet." "Hold on a minute, I'm reading something Koumei wrote." "Who's that?"
So they know, to take a few examples at random, that Koumei's in Australia, Frank's attending med school in Europe, and that this is a pretty tough venue for having your stuff reviewed.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
Certainly. My GM's a fan of both of you (among others), for example. So, no need to explain: certainly other people are interesting (Not me according to Lobster, but who cares about what Lobster says?). Not that I expect to actually have fans ...Maxus wrote:Many of the people on the Den are sufficiently interesting and/or entertaining that I've told a few people I know about them--It kinda grew out of, "Hey, Alex, lemme use the Internet." "Hold on a minute, I'm reading something Koumei wrote." "Who's that?"
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Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
It's from the Euthyphro.Maxus wrote:I seem to recall a line of Socratic argument that said that if what the gods like/want is holy, and because the gods disagree all the time, something can be both holy and unholy at the same time.
Plato wrote:Socrates: Hey Euthyphro, what's holiness?
Euthyphro: The holy is that which the gods love.
Socrates: But we live in friggin' ancient Greece, Euthyphro. We have a whole pantheon of gods and none of them can agree on anything - they argue with each other all the damn time, and tend to turn innocent humans into animals for no good reason. There's stuff which Zeus loves and Hera hates, so it'd have to be both holy and unholy, which is crazy, therefore you're a moron.
Euthyphro: Why, yes, Socrates! You've revealed me for the fool I am!
Socrates: Q.E.D., bitches.
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Love it. Just fix your tags. You have an extra /quote on the end, I believe.Gelare wrote:It's from the Euthyphro.Maxus wrote:I seem to recall a line of Socratic argument that said that if what the gods like/want is holy, and because the gods disagree all the time, something can be both holy and unholy at the same time.Plato wrote:Socrates: Hey Euthyphro, what's holiness?
Euthyphro: The holy is that which the gods love.
Socrates: But we live in friggin' ancient Greece, Euthyphro. We have a whole pantheon of gods and none of them can agree on anything - they argue with each other all the damn time, and tend to turn innocent humans into animals for no good reason. There's stuff which Zeus loves and Hera hates, so it'd have to be both holy and unholy, which is crazy, therefore you're a moron.
Euthyphro: Why, yes, Socrates! You've revealed me for the fool I am!
Socrates: Q.E.D., bitches.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
Yeah, I told my sister about some of the Denizens - particularly regarding face-stabbing. We do have a fairly interesting crowd here. Hell, we even have the creator of the Universe (when he isn't watching people masturbate).
And I just finished re-reading Small Gods. The philosophy in it, regardless of how much is a parody of existing things, is hilarious.
"The world's a bugger and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's just have a drink. Mine's a double, if you're paying."
And I just finished re-reading Small Gods. The philosophy in it, regardless of how much is a parody of existing things, is hilarious.
"The world's a bugger and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's just have a drink. Mine's a double, if you're paying."
Summing up the Cynics, the Stoics, and the Epicureans, right?Koumei wrote:Yeah, I told my sister about some of the Denizens - particularly regarding face-stabbing. We do have a fairly interesting crowd here. Hell, we even have the creator of the Universe (when he isn't watching people masturbate).
And I just finished re-reading Small Gods. The philosophy in it, regardless of how much is a parody of existing things, is hilarious.
"The world's a bugger and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's just have a drink. Mine's a double, if you're paying."
And, yeah, I just got someone hooked on Pratchett through Small Gods, Hogfather, and Feet of Clay.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
I can really only think of one reason you'd want Order and Chaos in a game. That's to provide mystical forces one can be aligned with that don't impact morality.
So the Temple of Order burns some party members and not other, but they can still all be "heroes."
Of course, I still don't think you'd want more than one alignment axis. If the conflict between Law and Chaos is a major mechanical theme, you don't also need mechanical Good and Evil.
And of course, D&D Good has only minor resemblance to actual Good anyway, so whatever.
Really, I think there should be two Alignments, Light and Dark. (You can also play Neutral).
Some characters are trained in big cathedrals and palaces, and they glow. Others skulk around making bargains with dark forces, and the light burns them.
Either character type can be a mensch or an asshole.
EDIT: Frank, when are finals/winter break/other bad times? As I said, ideally for me would be after December 6, but I'm on a strange academic schedule...
EDIT: you can reach me at "orion.anderson" (at) gmail [.com]
So the Temple of Order burns some party members and not other, but they can still all be "heroes."
Of course, I still don't think you'd want more than one alignment axis. If the conflict between Law and Chaos is a major mechanical theme, you don't also need mechanical Good and Evil.
And of course, D&D Good has only minor resemblance to actual Good anyway, so whatever.
Really, I think there should be two Alignments, Light and Dark. (You can also play Neutral).
Some characters are trained in big cathedrals and palaces, and they glow. Others skulk around making bargains with dark forces, and the light burns them.
Either character type can be a mensch or an asshole.
EDIT: Frank, when are finals/winter break/other bad times? As I said, ideally for me would be after December 6, but I'm on a strange academic schedule...
EDIT: you can reach me at "orion.anderson" (at) gmail [.com]
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I'd really like to respond to your ignorance, but I can't even decipher what point you're trying to make. Are you calling me retarded? Gamers who disagree with book definitions? Are you calling law/chaos retarded? Alignment in general? Try focussing on making clear and concise sentences rather than being asinine.Bigode wrote:Nope. They can also choose to "not be retarded", and do away with them (where "them" includes any player who insists on disagreeing).Tequila Sunrise wrote:But whatever, every DM has to run alignments in such a way that he/she can understand and explain to his/her players.
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