2024 Election Thread

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

What is Nancy pelosi getting out of leaking

Aside from not doing a thing IS a thing she and other democrats regularly employ this tactic to get. And since it increasingly looks like she maybe can't do this thing even if she wants to even getting the press off her personal back for a few days IS something she will want...

What I'm seeing in the coverage is that whoever the shrinking tiny inner Biden core loyalists are, they aren't Pelosi, and actually she turned pretty early.

I'm saying that Pelosi is either falling for a delaying tactic directly from Biden or one of his "personal advisors", or just happy to repeat it to press just so they (and maybe some donors) stop bugging her for a day or two.

[Kaelik]

Again, no one is leaking that the president is considering resigning to buy ONE DAY of people maybe not calling them.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Your lack of faith in human pettiness amazes me. These are very shallow self centered people we are talking about. Pelosi would and by the numbers probably technically has sold out entire communities for a really solid holiday weekend.

[deaddmwalking]

If Biden is not the nominee, I wonder who will be selected.

[PseudoStupidity]

If Biden is not the nominee, I wonder who will be selected.

Somebody who you will immediately and unequivocally support.

[Kaelik]

I mean the insider leaking is that everyone knows that there's no other option but Harris, but they are still in the process of uniting around Harris, because a bunch of people don't like her.

Practically, the answer is it's going to be Harris if he drops out, because enough power brokers know a contested convention would be really stupid and accomplish nothing.

Pundits are trying to make Gretchen Whitmier happen as hard as the possibly can because uh... look, probably mostly because she's white? It's not like she would have different politics then Harris.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

I still want to know why the insiders seem to hate Kamala so much. On paper she should be the second coming to those guys.

Do they acknowledge her unpopularity? Is it just the byproduct of years of sidelining her to try and make Biden look better? Is it just liberal racism or an acknowledgement of it? Or, as many sources suggest IS there some widely known insider fact about her that is seen by them as devastatingly compromising once it goes public?

[Mord]

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[MGuy]

I don't read what they are doing as a delaying tactic. While I believe that our elected leaders are particularly prone to using the system to avoid doing anything good without a ton of asterisks, in this case the money has already issued it's judgement and it wants Biden out. That means the ones in charge want that too. There's just few mechanisms they want to use to usher Biden out. They would prefer that he get out of the way but he, personally, has resisted it for the reason or another.

I don't know why the insiders don't seem to like Harris. My gut says pettiness. Harris being first female president would be a big slap in the face to Clinton. There are probably other people who ideally wouldn't want to cede their aspirations for the presidency to her for the next 8 years when they are poised to make their attempt in 4. Who knows how many backroom deals were made to convince everyone else to get out of the way for Biden to insure that Bernie didn't win.

I don't think it matters too much why that is ultimately. As far as I'm aware lots of money is tied into her name since she's on the same ticket as video. I don't see another choice being as viable as she is.

[Stahlseele]

So did Biden drop out now?
Or did he not drop out and they took that back?
Also, if he has Covid for the 3rd time, is he not vaccinated?

[Kaelik]

So did Biden drop out now?
Or did he not drop out and they took that back?
Also, if he has Covid for the 3rd time, is he not vaccinated?

He did not drop out yet and they didn't take it back, because the statement was as soon as this weekend. Besides the inherent vagueness they don't have to take it back until Monday.

(Also like everything else, that was a leak, not a promise, so if and when they toss it aside they will not officially state they are taking it back.)

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Its not the end of the weekend yet, not even here where its the future, in the USA the weekend has probably only just begun.

Articles are not promising but its early and they are also vague and make few promises to accuracy and could just be recycling the random noises we had already heard on Thursday or Friday.

And you can catch Covid even if vaccinated and you can hide in a basement for 16 days (apparently that long last time) whether or not you have covid or recover from it in under 7 days like most do.

edit: Kaelik got in before me. Also its not just a leak they don't need to take back it was a HEDGED leak, it wasn't a leak that he WOULD drop out, only that he would CONSIDER it.

[Kaelik]

Time to fall out of the coconut tree.

(Joe biden just withdrew from the presidential nomination.)

[Thaluikhain]

Time to fall out of the coconut tree.

(Joe biden just withdrew from the presidential nomination.)

*blinks*

Huh. I was hoping, but not expecting.

[Stahlseele]

Ah so i was just a bit early then.

[MGuy]

The money made a demand. That's the best guarantee that a thing would happen.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

Well I'm surprised they pried the car keys out of his hands this early. He was looking really stubborn.

Democrats now have a chance at winning the election.

[tussock]

Buzz seems pretty positive about Harris, though I had to love the accepting the ... uh, president's endorsement, speech, which was basically,

I'm a cop, he's a crook.
I'm a cop, he's a crook.
I'm a cop, he's a crook, who you gunna vote for?

Which, yeah. I guess that works. She is going to make Trump look like a doddery old man much better than Biden would've, at least. Hmm, a 60-year-old seeming to be the young candidate. They could do with like, a 35-year-old VP pick. But hey, at least one old man is gone.

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Also, Biden got sick again with covid because he meets huge numbers of people all the time, and because he's all "beaten covid" as an election strategy, he turned off every protection around the president for covid, no testing, no masks, you got a cough, come shake his hand, and he's 81, so, he got sick.

[PseudoStupidity]

We are in the context of all in which we live and what came before us now, folks.

[Stahlseele]

"We live in a Society"

[Kaelik]

It's all coconover: Kamala Harris has decided to be bad.

[PseudoStupidity]

Looks like the coconut didn't fall too far from the tree in Kamala's case.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

You see when you have a historic opportunity to, within even purely token gestures, differentiate yourself from a crazy old genocider and disarm a significant policy weakness right before an election just by saying the right thing, you need to really lean in and fail to do that with the utmost urgency and enthusiasm.

Doubling down on failure is always the best option in the "realm of the possible". Odd that.

[MGuy]

We got a candidate switch because the money demanded it. It hasn't demanded that they shift on the pro genocide bit. Vibes I get is that Harris is lacking in political power so, if I had any faith in her to care about anything other than herself, I could see cynically not rocking the boat over the genocide until she's locked in. As far as I'm understanding she's not officially been coronated. There's also the very real possibilty that the stepping down is Biden is enough of a relief to voters to get her coasting into office and that bothering to lie about caring about the genocide won't be on the take unless just as many Democrats who threatened to let Joe sink also do so over Palestine. I don't see that happening because, as dead has repeatedly shown, genocide is not a deal breaker.

We'll see if this changes closer to the election. I'm doubtful I'll admit.

[Neo Phonelobster Prime]

There's also the very real possibilty that the stepping down is Biden is enough of a relief to voters to get her coasting into office and that bothering to lie about caring about the genocide

The thing is lying that she cares about Genocide is basically free.

What is definitely free is just staying fucking quiet about it. Which if they intend to turn this specific issue around with voters just from the change from Biden, is the minimum and easiest thing they can do.

Releasing statements telling the world that the Republican congress and Benji and everyone are right and their narrative is correct and peace protesters and hostage families are Hamas Iranian Terrorists that burn beheaded rape babies is totally and deeply an unforced error.

She SHOULD have said something actually good without doing a damn actual concrete thing.

But she COULD have stayed shut the hell up. And failing to do that and instead reinforcing her political enemies messaging suggest deeply poor Democrat politicking instincts have total continuity.

edit: Also Biden should NOT have been permitted a public meeting with Benji. He even has good excuses to skip a private one. Not just because this specifically is bad but because the need to drop him clean and they can't risk more of his bullshit in general. KEEP HIM IN THE BASEMENT, unless he actually fully retires the role of President. Then kick him the fuck out of the white house. This also is free, easy and the god damn minimum for good optics.