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PoliteNewb wrote:

theye1 wrote:I don't even care about the morality of Dog Fucking, I just don't play with the freaks who think it is okay.

This is a legitimate stance to take.
Of course, it also puts you in roughly the same boat as people who won't game with queers because they think it's gross. So make of that whatever you want.

That's only if you assume that Homosexuality and Homosexual Sex is the Moral or sexual equivalent to Bestiality, which it is not. Homosexuality is an actual sexual orientation. Whereas, Bestiality and the tolerance of Bestiality in public is more indicative of a Personality disorder. It's actually more likely a difficulty in the basic elements of social interaction. Either way, I don't want to play with them.

I mean, seriously, we're not talking about people who want to fuck a dog right there on your table. You are talking about completely hypothetical fictional dogs, and generally only in the sense of "yeah, my characters a lupus and he mates with wolves. end of story." Why are people getting their panties in a bunch?

Except it's almost never played that way.

theye1 wrote:That's only if you assume that Homosexuality and Homosexual Sex is the Moral or sexual equivalent to Bestiality, which it is not. Homosexuality is an actual sexual orientation. Whereas, Bestiality and the tolerance of Bestiality in public is more indicative of a Personality disorder. It's actually more likely a difficulty in the basic elements of social interaction. Either way, I don't want to play with them.

Um... Are you retarded?

The only difference between a sexual orientation and a "personality disorder" is that most people are okay with one, and not with the other.

There are sexual preferences. The only thing that separates a sexual preference for animals from a sexual preference for certain kind of people is how other people feel about your fetish.

I suspect that the primary interest here does not reside in coming to agreement about the sexual morality between wolves and werewolves or other creatures with related circumstances and similarities.

And what do you think the primary interest is?

Pointless bickering, human morality, and how or if it is effected when someone decides to have sexual relations with an ordinary dog, or other creature with inferior cognitive functions.

For such a confused deliberation there is unlikely to be any proper resolution.

Psychic Robot wrote:Hey, guys, have we started talking about pedophilia and bestiality yet?

... I have an idea! Let's talk about Shadowrun!

Is it immoral to abduct an adult grizzly bear from an Ares corp hunting preserve, implant cyberware in it to make it smart and skilled at martial arts, and then attempt to convince it to join your shadowrunning team?

What if it doesn't really have a choice due to the type of training and cyberware used?


Is it immoral for an insect spirit to take over the body of someone who was rendered a vegetable in a traffic accident and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future?

What if the family of the victim wanted the victim to stay in the hospital on the off chance they recovered, but the victim had no clear preference?

Is it immoral to abduct an adult grizzly bear from an Ares corp hunting preserve, implant cyberware in it to make it smart and skilled at martial arts, and then attempt to convince it to join your shadowrunning team?

Possibly, but it beats the hell out of dogfucking.

Parthenon wrote:At least the space opera race thread hasn't degenerated into the morality of inter-species sex and whether it would be like dog-fucking to have sex with a single member of a hive mind or if you are required to have a three or moresome to be okay.

By the way, that wasn't an invitation to do so. Please, please don't fuck up another thread with it.

Of course not. Although if you imply any desire to fuck something non-human, K will, of course, come and shout about how gross you are for the desire because he's weird for a human, and doesn't want to fuck green orion women with three breasts, or whatever.

theye1 wrote:

PoliteNewb wrote:I mean, seriously, we're not talking about people who want to fuck a dog right there on your table. You are talking about completely hypothetical fictional dogs, and generally only in the sense of "yeah, my characters a lupus and he mates with wolves. end of story." Why are people getting their panties in a bunch?

Except it's almost never played that way.

Wait, what? I've seen homids play out a bit of the seduction, butwith lupuses it was always more of "k, I'm going to run off into the woods and fuck some wolfy bitches. *fade to black* (with maybe a roll for rule of funny)"

Am I the only person who's played WoD with a sensible group?

Avoraciopoctules wrote:... I have an idea! Let's talk about Shadowrun!

Is it immoral to abduct an adult grizzly bear from an Ares corp hunting preserve, implant cyberware in it to make it smart and skilled at martial arts, and then attempt to convince it to join your shadowrunning team?

What if it doesn't really have a choice due to the type of training and cyberware used?


Is it immoral for an insect spirit to take over the body of someone who was rendered a vegetable in a traffic accident and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future?

What if the family of the victim wanted the victim to stay in the hospital on the off chance they recovered, but the victim had no clear preference?

Or even better, lets stick to WoD. Is it moral for Gaia to hijack a very spiritual, but otherwise innocent bystander human, pump them full of spirit stuff, give them a geas and thrust them into the garou's war with the Wyrm where they likely will die a horrible, horrible death raped by Spirals, possibly with giant silver bane-corrupted swords? Or hey, what about the Wyld doing essentially the same thing to a normal wolf, minus the geas? Or fuck! Even better! the Weaver will regularly take humans and just wipe all of their individuality and independence, making them literally drones that must act like computer programs, doing what they're told, and requesting permission for every single action, with barely an ounce of ability to make use of the abstract thought skills that made them human?

There are much worse things than wolf-fucking in WoD.

Prak_Anima wrote:

Avoraciopoctules wrote:... I have an idea! Let's talk about Shadowrun!

Or even better, lets stick to [...] wolf-fucking in WoD.

Avoraciopoctules wrote:

Prak_Anima wrote:

Avoraciopoctules wrote:... I have an idea! Let's talk about Shadowrun!

Or even better, lets stick to [...] wolf-fucking in WoD.

...nicely done.

So be it then.

What qualities do you seek out when you decide to have carnal pleasure with a canine creature? Is it the sheen of her fur and the length of her tail that arouses your passions?

Molochio wrote:So be it then.

What qualities do you seek out when you decide to have carnal pleasure with a canine creature? Is it the sheen of her fur and the length of her tail that arouses your passions?

Wouldn't the logical thing be the scent: that is what attracts animals usually.

The point isn't whether other things in WoD are morally worse than dogfucking. I think even Frank would concede that there are much worse things going on in the setting.

Including dogfucking is bad for the game because it's gross not because it's immoral. The discussion of morality is related to, but definitely separate from the discussion of good writing.

So wait... All of this has been whether or not writing that into the setting is considered good writing?

MGuy wrote:So wait... All of this has been whether or not writing that into the setting is considered good writing?

No, none of the point of anything has been anything. And that's not what most people have been talking about. Most people have been talking about the morality of sticking your dick in an animal.

Parthenon wrote:At least the space opera race thread hasn't degenerated into the morality of inter-species sex and whether it would be like dog-fucking to have sex with a single member of a hive mind or if you are required to have a three or moresome to be okay.

By the way, that wasn't an invitation to do so. Please, please don't fuck up another thread with it.

Unfortunately I've found that warnings tend to lead to whatever you're warning against here.

Just a heads up.

In the end people are going to do whatever feels good to them. Especially if they may do so with the certainty that no one else shall know of it.

Under such a rubric, taking carnal pleasure in an animal is not so unthinkable. To become lost in the scent of her musk and the softness of her fur. Yes?

With a philosophy based in hedonism, such an act is not even particularly devoid of morality, since both the animal and the person receive varying degrees of pleasure.

Thus it is only due to the related social stigma most cultures have for such an act that your passions must remain a secretive matter.

Darth Rabbitt wrote:

Parthenon wrote:At least the space opera race thread hasn't degenerated into the morality of inter-species sex and whether it would be like dog-fucking to have sex with a single member of a hive mind or if you are required to have a three or moresome to be okay.

By the way, that wasn't an invitation to do so. Please, please don't fuck up another thread with it.

Unfortunately I've found that warnings tend to lead to whatever you're warning against here.

Just a heads up.

I refrained from doing that exact thing earlier, actually...

MGuy,

Prak is saying that it's okay to have dogfucking in Werewolf. I am saying that it was a bad decision to include because it's disgusting, but it is not immoral.

Meanwhile, Malochio is doing his best to gross all of us out. He is succeeding.

Not quite. I'm saying I don't give a shit because I don't have any problem with a werewolf fucking a WtA werewolf, to which they can communicate. I don't see it as immoral, and I'm not disgusted by it. At worst, I know other people find it squicky.

@Orion: For whatever reason this has become a thread marked by, "Most people talking about the morality of sticking your dick in an animal."

As it is the common consensus to discuss this subject and it's various facets, you are mistaken in your view that I seek to gross all of you out.
I did not choose this deliberation and no one other than you appears to be bothered by the purity of my logic.

FrankTrollman wrote:*stuff*
-Username17

Okay, but where exactly is the line? Is it immoral to use a cucumber as a sex toy? Why do we care about animal rights at all on the micro scale? At what point of intellectual development should we start caring about a species' rights or feelings?

Calibron wrote:

FrankTrollman wrote:*stuff*
-Username17

Okay, but where exactly is the line? Is it immoral to use a cucumber as a sex toy? Why do we care about animal rights at all on the micro scale? At what point of intellectual development should we start caring about a species' rights or feelings?

How about a sea cucumber?

Again, here's the thing:

Wolf and werewolf sex does, in fact, result in offspring.

That means they are technically the same species.

And again, the concept of "consent" is a product of human morality. It's a little hard to start applying it to other races when, again, a werewolf's mom is seriously an Int 3 Wolf.

Edit: Actually, scratched "a little hard". It's extremely stupid to apply human morality on another species. Unless you're all for wiping out said other species.

...and I wake up to this.

God damn it, Den. Really?