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Post by K »

echoVanguard wrote:
K wrote:various generals doing the actual commanding
Isn't the ability to have cohorts who command troops effectively identical to the ability to command troops? Just sayin'.

echo
The question is whether they are cohorts or fellow party members and whether it matters at all to the story and the game.

It's the same difference between being a Fighter who buffs himself and being a Fighter who gets buffs from the party Wizard. It doesn't change the story at all where you get the buffs, but as a game the difference is huge. Having to rely on a Wizard to buff the Fighter will make the Fighter feel small in the pants and buffing himself will feel great even when the mechanical and story effect is exactly the same.

It doesn't change the story if Team Evil is a party of evil BBEGs who each contribute skills to the running of an evil empire. It doesn't even change the story if one of the BBEGs is the "party leader" and gives orders to the rest of the Team Evil party while sitting on a goth-metal throne.

It does matter if two players sit at a table and one guy gets to command the troops and accomplish story goals with those troops and another guy gets to open portals to other universes and accomplish story goals by doing that. Their divergent skill sets means that the portal guy wants the army guy to come along so they can conquer stuff on other worlds.

It's just an artifact of DnD rulesets that has made "having an army" a MTP ability that gets handed out whenever the DM decides that someone needs it, and I could easily imagine a ruleset where "having an army" is a cornerstone to telling a number of kinds of stories that DnD has traditionally sucked at telling.

Giving characters different skill sets is Rule 1 in avoiding May Sue-ism and all of the source material follows it. There is a reason that Davren Basheer, a Great Captain, leads Rand al'Thor's armies and Durza leads King Galbatorix's armies, and that's because being a powerful spellcaster and a leader of armies is just too cheesy.
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Post by K »

FrankTrollman wrote: Image

And you have everything in between. Because fucking wizards have fucking tiny men that they command.
Yeh, all this picture says to me is "party."

See below:


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Chamomile wrote:Frank, your example of a wizard who "directly commands tiny men" is a wizard who has a lackey who directly commands tiny men.
No. Jafar is an evil chancellor who can command tiny men because he is nominally a lackey of the Sultan. But if we were to take K's nonsensical tirade that only directly commanded tiny men count and delegated tiny men do not count, then Jafar fucking counts.

You can watch the scene right here. Jafar does not delegate to fucking anyone the command over those tiny men. The entire posse of minions is there, and Jafar gives the order "Make sure he's never found." and then the tiny men go and carry out that order to the best of their ability. All of them. He doesn't give these orders to an evil non-caster lieutenant so that they can relay them. They are his minions. He gives the orders. They hear them. They follow them. No chain of command other than Jafar and the tiny men that he directly orders around.

K is simply 100% wrong. Even after moving the goalposts so far that it is comical and ludicrous, he's still wrong. Because wizards appear at literally every level of command that it is possible for a character to appear at. In fact, wizards appear at many levels of command that are in fact not actually possible by having entire armies with no lieutenants at all because they are armies of clockwork, winged monkeys, illusions, skeletons, or whatever.

No matter where you try to move the goalposts to where it gets to count as "having" the tiny men, I can find you a dozen times a dozen examples of genre wizards meeting those criteria. Because "evil wizard with a bunch of minions" is a trope so ridiculously ubiquitous that ever conceivable version of it has been done a thousand times and more.

This is physically not an argument it is physically possible for K to win. Because he is literally arguing that wizards shouldn't be allowed to be BBEGs. That is a position so antithetical to the genre that we shouldn't be responding to it with anything more than laughing derision.

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FrankTrollman wrote:
This is physically not an argument it is physically possible for K to win. Because he is literally arguing that wizards shouldn't be allowed to be BBEGs. That is a position so antithetical to the genre that we shouldn't be responding to it with anything more than laughing derision.

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Casting a spell and getting a few combat minions is not the same as having an army. Shard soldiers are not going to be occupying enemy hamlets to suppress rebellions and flying monkeys are not going to be collecting taxes because they are pure combat effects on par with fireballs and walls of stone. (They actually have less out-of-combat applications than fireballs and walls of stone if we really want to get down to it.)

For every single example of a BBEG with an army bigger than a half dozen guys, there is a non-spellcasting general doing the actual leading. From Wheel of Time to Star Wars, this is just a fact. There is no argument there to have because it's a clear from the evidence.

The only argument here is whether anything is lost by having Team Evil or Team Good be a party and not a single person, and is that loss worse than the gain. Until you can make an argument pro or con for that, you are just a ape throwing shit.

I see no loss. Bavmorda is a more compelling enemy when she is partnered with the skull-helmeted General Kael and Palpatine and Vader are more menacing when they are partnered with Grand Admiral Tarkin or General Grievous. The story is richer with a larger cast if Kas backs up Vecna, the adventure to defeat the Seven Evil Exes is more epic and easier to structure, PC characters like Rand al'Thor are less Mary Sue when Davren Basheer or Mat is leading the Dragon Reborn armies, and the mechanics of a game that included them like DnD would allow for richer and more satisfying fighting guy concepts even if you were a magical fighting guy like the Shade in Eragon.

The Great Leader theory of BBEGs actively makes more shallow stories and less fair games, thus failing both criteria for a fantasy RPG.
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FrankTrollman wrote:
You can watch the scene right here.
Yes, and in that scene Jafar says "make sure he's never found," an order to which Razoul immediately responds by knocking Aladdin out. Razoul being the named character who everyone recognizes on sight with the "has tiny men" ability. Using K's method, the scene works exactly the same. In fact it would work exactly the same even if someone other than Razoul had been the one to club Aladdin, because Razoul can just give his men a standing order to do what Jafar says, since the Evil Party has a chain of command and Jafar is on top of it, above his Fighter sidekick who has the tiny men. Even in edge cases like the Wicked Witch of the West wherein she has an army whose general as a distinct character is never actually seen, it is trivially easy to invent one to give to her. The flying monkeys have a chieftain, and her green halberd-dudes have a captain, bam, conversion complete.

This is seriously not hard. If you have more than like six guys following you around, it totally makes sense to have there be a chain-of-command, and then it totally makes sense to give the actual army-having abilities to one of the guys in the BBEG's party. Even if your dark wizard's army is something non-sentient like skeletons, you can still have a big skeleton with a scary-looking helmet with no INT or CON score but who still gets the minion-having abilities for having all his Fighter levels. A player party could even do basically the same thing by either having cohorts or, if there's enough PCs to make cohorts a bad idea, just have one of the players be like an awakened skeleton Fighter or a Death Knight-type or something.
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K wrote:For every single example of a BBEG with an army bigger than a half dozen guys, there is a non-spellcasting general doing the actual leading. From Wheel of Time to Star Wars, this is just a fact. There is no argument there to have because it's a clear from the evidence.
K you are a giant fucking shithead who commits to incredibly stupid positions and then contorts the most absurd amount I have ever seen to defend it.

For every single example of a non spellcasting general doing the actual leading with an army bigger than half a dozen guys, there is a different person who is doing the actual leading.

By any logic that allows you to claim Demandred was not leading the armies of Shadow, the exact same logic means the Mat was not leading the armies of light.

By any logic that Emperor Palpantine and Vader do not lead armies, the exact same logic shows that Grand Moff Tarkin and General Veers do not lead armies.

Because X has sub commanders is true of all large armies except Wizard armies. Grand Moff Tarkin has sub commanders he relays orders through exactly the same as the Emperor.

Literally 20 pages of A Memory of Light are devoted to explaining how Demandred and Mat are exact opposite leaders, and Demandred is a super badass combat leader.
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K wrote:Casting a spell and getting a few combat minions is not the same as having an army. Shard soldiers are not going to be occupying enemy hamlets to suppress rebellions and flying monkeys are not going to be collecting taxes because they are pure combat effects on par with fireballs and walls of stone.
Dude. Do you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself? The shard soldiers in that movie totally conquer hamlets and occupy land in the actual prologue.

And you can see that going on with zombie armies under the banners of necromancers in Heroes of Might and Magic. Or fuck, pretty much every piece of source material where necromantic armies actually conquer places instead of just murdering everyone.
Chamomile wrote:Yes, and in that scene Jafar says "make sure he's never found," an order to which Razoul immediately responds by knocking Aladdin out. Razoul being the named character who everyone recognizes on sight with the "has tiny men" ability.
You're Wrong.

Razoul is not in fact a named character in Aladdin. In Aladdin, the character is credited as "Guards" for the animation team and "Other Voices" for the voice actor. That particular guard/wicked mook was popular enough, and Jim Cummings works cheaply enough that he was elevated to named character status in the subsequent TV show based the Aladdin movie. But in the actual movie we are talking about, he had not been upgraded to being a named character yet and did not have a name.

Please. Both of you. Before you continue to shit on your credibility, try to step away from it a bit and look in from the outside to try to realize how completely fucking retarded the position you are trying to stake out really is. I mean, it's not even just how evil Witch Queens are completely ubiquitous and have "has tiny men" even more frequently than they have scrying (which is the second most common ability of a Witch Queen). We also have Elf Queens, who are by tradition both enchantresses and leaders of tiny men... but for Team Good.

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FrankTrollman wrote:That particular guard/wicked mook was popular enough, and Jim Cummings works cheaply enough that he was elevated to named character status in the subsequent TV show based the Aladdin movie.
So if you could just try and follow this line of thinking to its conclusion instead of trying to trip me up over trivial details, that'd be nice. For one thing, you might have noticed that you are actually arguing against your position, because the guy who led the tiny men around was well known enough as a distinct character to be featured in the cartoon, where he regularly acts independently of Jafar (and likewise he acts independent of Jafar, but still has his tiny men, in King of Thieves). Not only this, Razoul being a named character was probably the least important word in my entire post. Structuring the entirety of your response to me around that one word is basically admitting that you've got nothing on the actual points I was making.
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Wow

I expected this thread to become a shitstorm but you guys always suprise me with the new and intresting ways you derail these threads into shit canyon.

So lets review what this thread is actually about.

Making a "mundane" that is playable from 1-20 in a non stupid manner can not be done. So mundane characters need to at some point get a character concept that is not obsolete. Perhaps the best way to do this is force people to prestige/paragon path after a certan level. However people threw fits when knights capped out at level 10 and not level 20. Thus it may be nessesary to cap all classes at 10.

This causes it own problems we want in theory diffrent classes to have several viable choices but that brings us to another dilema. Esentially we have a variation of the multiclassing/caster problem. So how do we make manditory prestige classing work with the multi-resource mecahics that Frank is always going on about? Or is it that we need to just pick one?
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So you don't have any argument at all? Not a single reason why making Team Evil into a party is not better for storytelling or the game? Just insults for a viewpoint that is not as wildly conservative as your own?

You see, that's why you've lost this argument: failure to address the point. For fuck's sake, Kaelik is on your side... clear evidence that you've abandoned the discussion of ideas for the base pleasures of trolling.
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K wrote:So you don't have any argument at all? Not a single reason why making Team Evil into a party is not better for storytelling or the game? Just insults for a viewpoint that is not as wildly conservative as your own?
Wildly conservative? You are literally saying that you cannot conceive of a storytelling goal that is advanced by having a singular main villain. That isn't even unimaginative, that's just retarded. You have to bin the vast majority of available source material.

And what you're buying with this isn't even a massive improvement in playability or anything. By binning all the Witch Queens, Sorcerer Lords, Necromancers, Golem Crafters, Wizard Kings, Demonologists, and Mystical BBEGs you've gained... basically nothing. Even by your own admission, access to tiny men or not is simply one way of many to interact with a couple of optional minigames. The transport, exploration, and skirmish minigames (the parts of Dungeons & Dragons that revolve around actual Dragons and Dungeons) are totally unaffected one way or the other by whether you have tiny men off screen.

You've completely lost on the is, and your argument on the ought is totally incoherent. You moved the goalposts all to hell and gone trying to show that there weren't thousands upon thousands of examples of wizards with tiny men in the source material, and you fucking failed at that. Now you're trying to argue that we'd be better off if we got rid of them all, but you have absolutely no evidence that is the case.

Kindly remove your head from your ass long enough to realize that the AD&D Paradigm where Fighters get a small pile of extra tiny men to add to the hired tiny men following them around and Wizards have to hire or summon all their henchmen is not a remotely balanced or stable paradigm for high level play. It never was, it never will be. And trying to make it "harder coded" somehow isn't going to make anything better.

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K wrote:So you don't have any argument at all? Not a single reason why making Team Evil into a party is not better for storytelling or the game? Just insults for a viewpoint that is not as wildly conservative as your own?

You see, that's why you've lost this argument: failure to address the point. For fuck's sake, Kaelik is on your side... clear evidence that you've abandoned the discussion of ideas for the base pleasures of trolling.
Your the one who's shitting up this thread with you obstinacy and retardation. This is not a thread about wizard and tiny men it's about how we get people to let go of character concepts after they have passed their expiration date. Stop making this threat so terrible.
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MISTBORNSAMA wrote:Making a "mundane" that is playable from 1-20 in a non stupid manner can not be done. So mundane characters need to at some point get a character concept that is not obsolete. Perhaps the best way to do this is force people to prestige/paragon path after a certan level. However people threw fits when knights capped out at level 10 and not level 20. Thus it may be nessesary to cap all classes at 10.
I obviously disagree with your first sentence so we'll leave that one alone.

The most ideal solution to your problem is actually the Epic Handbook (with its Epic Classes with their Epic Power Sources). Short answer is that people like me won't give a fuck if you package "HIGH LEVEL D&D" into its own supplement that we can ignore. Rename all the Epic Classes into something else so that there's no room for ambiguation.

It's weird, 4E almost did this right.
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K wrote:As to enforcing this genre convention, it's trivially easy. You just say that troops don't follow spellcasters even if those guys conceal their identity because spellcasters radiate an aura of magical unease that means that normal people won't trust them or take order.
Does that mean that spellcaster PCs can't interact with npcs anymore?
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I obviously disagree with your first sentence so we'll leave that one alone.
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It. can. not. be. done.

Peoples expectations for what a high end magicy guy and a high end sword guy are just so divergent that there is no way to sync them up in the same game. This is a fact end of story.
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FrankTrollman wrote:
K wrote:So you don't have any argument at all? Not a single reason why making Team Evil into a party is not better for storytelling or the game? Just insults for a viewpoint that is not as wildly conservative as your own?
Wildly conservative? You are literally saying that you cannot conceive of a storytelling goal that is advanced by having a singular main villain. That isn't even unimaginative, that's just retarded. You have to bin the vast majority of available source material.
Wrong. The source material is unchanged. Bavmorda is the leader of Team Evil and General Kael commands the actual troops just as in the movie. It's the exact same story.

The only game difference is that the PCs actually want to kill General Kael as well as Bavmorda because both are in the Team Evil party and removing both is required to conclude the adventure. It also means that Madmardigan gets to move around troops and doesn't feel shorter than Willow because he gets to contribute to the story.

Again, this is exactly as the movie plays out.

You are seriously trying to sell the idea of Bavmorda without General Kael, and that's the DnD Spellcaster Cocksucking (tm) that's been holding the game back for decades. The adventure is less interesting because the PC party ignores General Kael both tactically and narratively. They lose out because General Kael is not important to the story or the combat.

DnD Spellcaster Cocksucking (tm) where spellcasters are good at everything and can do everything is a conservative viewpoint in fantasy RPGs. It's literally the way that fantasy RPGs have been envisioned for forty years despite the fact that the source material never actually reflected it. It's pure Gygax and Mordenkainen.
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ishy wrote:
K wrote:As to enforcing this genre convention, it's trivially easy. You just say that troops don't follow spellcasters even if those guys conceal their identity because spellcasters radiate an aura of magical unease that means that normal people won't trust them or take order.
Does that mean that spellcaster PCs can't interact with npcs anymore?
I'd restrict them to named NPCs. The story won't suffer that way.

I mean, it doesn't really matter if the unnamed innkeeper doesn't like you as long as important characters for the story interact with you.
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Ok, so humoring K for a moment. And then what?

Yeah, the fighter still has an army of tiny dudes, but that still doesn't mean jack shit because Bavmorda can turn your entire army of dudes into pigs. Janibas will call down a storm. A D&D caster will fly. So you don't care about taking down General Kael because his tiny men are still small and shitty and you are awesome and badass. Yes, his men may be oppressing the hamlets. Too bad the hamlets have nothing you want.

And we do have myths where spellcasters raise an army, Take Janibas the necromancer and his army, he didn't delegate that to some guy, he could raise the dead and call storms while his army assaulted a castle. Or the Sorceror-King in the legend of Sundiata.

Even if we go with "common folk hate and fear spellcasters," you could argue that's an excellent foundation for an evil army because you terrify subordinates into joining you. The whole "Evil Overlord whose men follow out of fear" is a classic fantasy schtick and there's really no reason not to support it just so that people can not level up.
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CapnTthePirateG wrote:Ok, so humoring K for a moment. And then what?

Yeah, the fighter still has an army of tiny dudes, but that still doesn't mean jack shit because Bavmorda can turn your entire army of dudes into pigs. Janibas will call down a storm. A D&D caster will fly. So you don't care about taking down General Kael because his tiny men are still small and shitty and you are awesome and badass. Yes, his men may be oppressing the hamlets. Too bad the hamlets have nothing you want.
Whose fault is it that hamlets have nothing you want?

What if freeing hamlets gave you a quest reward of XP? What if you could tax them for gold that you could spend on equipment? What if they gave you some Fame value that gave you rerolls? What if freeing hamlets gave you information sources as useful as divination spells?

It's seriously not an issue to make "having armies" be a thing that is valued by PCs. Break out of the DnD MTP Model of Armies and suddenly they have a lot of potential.

And no, having armies in fantasy stories is not about fighting battles. It's counter-intuitive, but that's how it works. Heroes fight combat challenges and armies exist to accomplish out-of-combat goals.
CapnTthePirateG wrote:And we do have myths where spellcasters raise an army, Take Janibas the necromancer and his army, he didn't delegate that to some guy, he could raise the dead and call storms while his army assaulted a castle. Or the Sorceror-King in the legend of Sundiata.
There is plenty of conceptual space for "army magic" that wins battles and actual armies of guys who collect taxes. Necromancers can still have hordes of shambling undead, but no one expects them to oversee food shipments.

Like I said, armies in fantasy stories don't fight important battles. They fight meaningless battles and the important stuff against monsters and name-level villains is done by heroes.
CapnTthePirateG wrote:Even if we go with "common folk hate and fear spellcasters," you could argue that's an excellent foundation for an evil army because you terrify subordinates into joining you. The whole "Evil Overlord whose men follow out of fear" is a classic fantasy schtick and there's really no reason not to support it just so that people can not level up.
There is plenty of room for Dark Overlords without giving spellcasters the ability to command troops. You have a General Kael who does the commanding.

Remember, the stories don't change at all. The only thing this changes is the PC's interactions at the table and their level of satisfaction with the game.
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Um, both those guys were monarchs. They had regular armies of regular dudes, no fighter second-in-command.

And this does change the stories, as every Dark Overlord needs a lieutenant. It's not THAT much, but there are a few who run around without them. Galbatorix lost the shade guy after the first book and never appointed another. All the Empire generals were apparently unimportant enough that Vader kept replacing them.

And lastly, General Kael is still not a challenge in person for a D&D spellcaster, which is what I think we were originally arguing about in this thread. D&D really needs to dump "immunity to weapons" spells, or at least have high-level fighters able to cut through them (can you tell I've been playing Baldur's Gate II lately?)
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CapnTthePirateG wrote:Um, both those guys were monarchs. They had regular armies of regular dudes, no fighter second-in-command.

And this does change the stories, as every Dark Overlord needs a lieutenant. It's not THAT much, but there are a few who run around without them. Galbatorix lost the shade guy after the first book and never appointed another. All the Empire generals were apparently unimportant enough that Vader kept replacing them.


My knowledge of incredibly obscure European legends is pretty small, so you'll have to forgive that I don't know all the details after my Google search failed.

That being said, a fantasy RPG does not have to map 100% to every third-rate fantasy novel or obscure fairy tale ever written. Games won't suffer if your Eragon conversion has to be structured with an extra NPC in the adventure.

I mean, does Star Wars suddenly lose anything story-wise if killing Grand Admiral Tarkin or General Grievous is a plot point?
CapnTthePirateG wrote:And lastly, General Kael is still not a challenge in person for a D&D spellcaster, which is what I think we were originally arguing about in this thread. D&D really needs to dump "immunity to weapons" spells, or at least have high-level fighters able to cut through them (can you tell I've been playing Baldur's Gate II lately?)
Right, and the solution is basically the same: don't give the spellcasters everything. Stop sucking spellcaster cock. Stop making magic the best way to do everything. Start writing real abilities for non-spellcasters.

It's not hard if you are actually trying to do it.
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Lord Mistborn wrote:Wow

I expected this thread to become a shitstorm but you guys always suprise me with the new and intresting ways you derail these threads into shit canyon.

So lets review what this thread is actually about.

Making a "mundane" that is playable from 1-20 in a non stupid manner can not be done. So mundane characters need to at some point get a character concept that is not obsolete. Perhaps the best way to do this is force people to prestige/paragon path after a certan level. However people threw fits when knights capped out at level 10 and not level 20. Thus it may be nessesary to cap all classes at 10.

This causes it own problems we want in theory diffrent classes to have several viable choices but that brings us to another dilema. Esentially we have a variation of the multiclassing/caster problem. So how do we make manditory prestige classing work with the multi-resource mecahics that Frank is always going on about? Or is it that we need to just pick one?
Another thing that was mentioned but glossed over was how utterly useless armies are in D&D.

Also, Kaelik informed us that, in his opinion, narrative powers are worse than Hitler AIDS.
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MistbornSama wrote:It. can. not. be. done.
Dude we both know how pointless this discussion is. We both know that by the end of it, you're just going to throw a fucking tantrum and make a third thread.
K wrote:Right, and the solution is basically the same: don't give the spellcasters everything. Stop sucking spellcaster cock. Stop making magic the best way to do everything. Start writing real abilities for non-spellcasters.
This is crazy, K. You're crazy. Stop being so crazy.
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Maxus wrote:Unseen Servant could give a handjob, I imagine.
SRD wrote:The servant can perform only one activity at a time, but it repeats the same activity over and over again if told to do so
Given it only has 2 str, ye don't have to worry too much about it hurting you, also I see why not that it could do a BJ as well.

Wrathzog, you also still have to contend with this limitation as well, that I've recognized is an issue. I haven't seen you respond to that, not something that should be ignored necessarily. Though, I will agree with how Mistborn will apparently ignore posts, declare things with little reason 'why' behind them, and make more threads.
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