[Dom3]New MA Game

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Mon May 14, 2012 5:33 pm

Frank, does Air Shield have any effect against spells like Flame Darts, Nether Bolts, or Orb Lightning?

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Mon May 14, 2012 8:01 pm

Orion wrote:Frank, does Air Shield have any effect against spells like Flame Darts, Nether Bolts, or Orb Lightning?

It works on most spells that have "number of effects" in the description rather than "area of effect" (Blade Wind, Magma Darts, Iron Blizzard, and so on). As I recall, Lightning Bolt actually isn't classified as a ranged attack and thus doesn't get reflected by Air Shield, so I would assume that Orb Lightning wouldn't be either. Might have something to do with their status as small area shockers or something.

Nether Bolt and Shadowblast are both AoEs and ignore Air Shield. I think Fire Flies bounces off of Air Shield but I can't remember if Fire Darts does. Fireball doesn't.

-Username17

Drago0661 · Post by **Drago0661** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:43 am

It would seem that Tien Chi has a Seraph. Aka he has wish up and running...
GG

koz · Post by **koz** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:45 am

Yeah, that's a little hard to beat.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:53 am

Drago0661 wrote:It would seem that Tien Chi has a Seraph. Aka he has wish up and running...
GG

Why was an laboratory in that province? Event?

Drago0661 · Post by **Drago0661** » Wed May 16, 2012 5:41 am

Korwin wrote:
Drago0661 wrote:It would seem that Tien Chi has a Seraph. Aka he has wish up and running...
GG
Why was an laboratory in that province? Event?

If i remember correctly, yes it was an event.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Wed May 16, 2012 7:38 pm

Seraphs are a moderately effective way of forcing concessions. Their very existence proves that you are rolling in clams and have enough research to choke a horse and that you have a mage who is individually capable of casting the most powerful spells in the game. I mean fuck, you just spent 120 gems to cast a 9th level spell to get a single unit. It's like putting your actual penis on the table next to a ruler that doesn't quite reach the end.

That being said, it is possible for people to fight and kill Seraphs. I've done it. But... they are the best unit in the game (barring a couple of expensive pretenders and some of the Lords of Civilization). They are individually badass enough to kill most armies with a sword and they are powerful and versatile casters able to shift the tide of battle in several ways.

-Username17

Drago0661 · Post by **Drago0661** » Thu May 17, 2012 4:15 am

Any such tips for fighting them would be greatly appreciated

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Thu May 17, 2012 5:50 am

Defeating them will depend to a large extent on how the Seraphs are kitted out, but the real issue is how to stop the factory from making more of them.

If the enemy is clamming and has mainly human commanders, I would suggest Wishing for an Armageddon to begin the cycle that ends the world.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Thu May 17, 2012 5:58 am

You don't need to do anything that drastic. The pile of clams is probably in a castle research park. Shelling it with Fires From Afar or whatever will kill plenty of Clams. Unfortunately, if he has that kind of resources, he probably also has Domes on his research parks. But you never know.

Note: while Tien Chi is busy wishing for victory, there is fuck all I can do about it, because I am still being attacked by three people. So good luck suckers.

-Username17

Zinegata · Post by **Zinegata** » Thu May 17, 2012 6:05 am

FrankTrollman wrote:You don't need to do anything that drastic. The pile of clams is probably in a castle research park. Shelling it with Fires From Afar or whatever will kill plenty of Clams. Unfortunately, if he has that kind of resources, he probably also has Domes on his research parks. But you never know.

Yeah, I was worried about the Domes, hence my preference for Armageddon. The world seems to be ending soon anyway and it's the only way to be sure

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Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Thu May 17, 2012 9:58 am

Well... that's a level of fuckery I did not expect. Man just turned off the ability of Caelumites to move. That's... pretty painful actually.

-Username17

MisterDee · Post by **MisterDee** » Thu May 17, 2012 12:56 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:Well... that's a level of fuckery I did not expect. Man just turned off the ability of Caelumites to move. That's... pretty painful actually.

-Username17

That does it. I must get this game.

...

Is there any way to get it (legitimately, of course - I don't like to fuck developpers) that isn't retarded? Seriously - we-ship-you-a-box? Come ON!

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Thu May 17, 2012 1:50 pm

There is an download option in the shrappnel Shop.

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Thu May 17, 2012 2:58 pm

Ouch. There went some thugs. I guess there was a real army there that turn. That said, lovin' that global.

MisterDee · Post by **MisterDee** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:55 pm

Yay - got the game!

I'll be learning the ropes while waiting for the next newbie game.

Korwin · Post by **Korwin** » Thu May 17, 2012 5:09 pm

That Seraph was less effective than I thought. Next time I'll make shure to bring poison resistance... or more moral?
And he had to walk the whole time! What angel is that who lets himself keep from flying because of a little wind?

TNT90 · Post by **TNT90** » Sat May 19, 2012 7:37 am

Well that was a hell of a battle. So much for my army (as you can see by the score graph, half of my entire military forces are now gone). The 200-300 chaff loss is not so bad, but the 30 casters and other leaders is devastating. I suppose I'll do some raiding with my remaining angels and try to make it a bit easier for Abyssia who is the only one with a glimmer of a chance of beating Caelum now (of those in the current war).

So when this gonna be a 5 or 6-way party of death?

Drago0661 · Post by **Drago0661** » Sat May 19, 2012 8:59 am

TNT90 wrote:Well that was a hell of a battle. So much for my army (as you can see by the score graph, half of my entire military forces are now gone). The 200-300 chaff loss is not so bad, but the 30 casters and other leaders is devastating. I suppose I'll do some raiding with my remaining angels and try to make it a bit easier for Abyssia who is the only one with a glimmer of a chance of beating Caelum now (of those in the current war).

So when this gonna be a 5 or 6-way party of death?

By party of death you mean everyone attack one nation?

When you ACTUALLY attack the nation who is the biggest threat at the moment: Tien Chi.

If both Abysia and Pythium (unsure about Ashdod since they had an 'alliance' with Tien Chi) keep playing like idiots and attack Caelum, as opposed to the guy who has fucking seraphs out, you might as well just hand the game to Tien Chi.

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Sat May 19, 2012 10:57 am

Drago wrote:(unsure about Ashdod since they had an 'alliance' with Tien Chi)

I never had an alliance with T'ien Ch'i, at least not beyond splitting up your territories. After that T'ien Ch'i and Caelum were my next two biggest concerns, probably in that order. I was playing to win, not carry someone else to victory. But now, that doesn't really matter because I am either sixth or seventh in line for the throne. Regardless of how uber-awesome T'ien Ch'i is doing, getting rid of him no longer does me any good at all. There's not many compelling reasons to drop what I'm doing.

Drago0661 · Post by **Drago0661** » Fri May 25, 2012 1:39 am

And as expected my god can't fight a fully equipped Seraph Built to fatigue out SCs (spirit helm + 2 axes of hate).

My God is dead, going AI.

GG, the newbies attacked the wrong guy. Now Tien Chi face rolls everyone.

DSMatticus · Post by **DSMatticus** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:11 am

Drago wrote:GG, the newbies attacked the wrong guy. Now Tien Chi face rolls everyone.

You keep jumping on the two newbies, but I should remind you that the number two nation (Caelum) went after Ashdod and ignored T'ien Ch'i because he hoped someone else would declare war on T'ien Ch'i in the interim. Something he himself did not want to do because he said it was suicidal. Despite being the #2 player. There's not really many ways to interpret that except that he was hoping the rest of the world would gang up on T'ien Ch'i while he calmly devoured Ashdod in the background. He wanted the rest of the world to do the heavylifting that put him in the #1 spot, and he wanted Ashdod's territories as the cherry on top.

If he wanted T'ien Ch'i dealt with, he should have been diplomacying Pythium and Abysia to do just that. Not hoping to leverage the world's fear of T'ien Ch'i to get him ignored while he attacks someone else entirely.

Akula · Post by **Akula** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:32 am

Drago0661 wrote:GG, the newbies attacked the wrong guy. Now Tien Chi face rolls everyone.

I don't know what vast asshole of experience you think you are speaking from, but don't blame your losses on everyone else. Frankly it seems to be a bad habit of yours.

Drago0661 · Post by **Drago0661** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:01 am

Ok, sorry I was a bit frustrated when i made that post, its not the newbies fault.

The fact still remains that Tien Chi has basically gone unopposed all game, and i just got stomped. Nothing really much i could do.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri May 25, 2012 9:40 am

Something he himself did not want to do because he said it was suicidal.

Going to war with the little part of an alliance first is logical. Had people left me alone to fight Ashdod, it would have at the very least slowed Tien Chi down and possibly left me in a position to be strong enough to fight Tien Chi. Instead what happened is that Tien Chi was left to pursue their war of aggression on Ctis while Caelum was triple teamed.

And Pythium had the gall the demand war reparations from Caleum just to stop, when they invaded in the first place and they got their butts fairly crucially kicked. Pythium has basically flat out said that they are going to suicide their entire army into Caelum if that's what it takes to keep Caelum from being a credible late game threat to Tien Chi. Well congratulations: we're not a credible late game threat to Tien Chi. We are down net provinces on two fronts and there is no real chance of us recovering at any point.

At this time we are simply counting down the days until Tien Chi puts up the Utterdark or Arcane Nexus that can credibly allow us to surrender.

Seriously: Pythium's offer of "peace" was that I stop fighting back for six turns while he took castles from me. That's not even peace!

-Username17