Moments when a piece of entertainment completely lost you.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:49 pm

Also used in the words lioness and tigress.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:44 am

Remember when TVTropes excised all the "rape" in order to keep Google from taking their ad revenue away? Well, it turns out that it's all been preserved on a mirror wiki. Now you can be horrified and disgusted all over again.

-Username17

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:30 pm

By that did you mean a frank discussion of how rape and sexual harassment/assault are depicted in media or are we talking about the creepers who admitted to molesting their underage siblings iRL?

And no, I'm not going to click to find out.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:10 pm

Lago PARANOIA wrote:By that did you mean a frank discussion of how rape and sexual harassment/assault are depicted in media or are we talking about the creepers who admitted to molesting their underage siblings iRL?

And no, I'm not going to click to find out.

I'm in a similar boat. I noted that they had brought back such wonderful pages as "rape is love" and "brother sister incest," I don't know how much of the content of those noxious pages have been returned. And I'm not going to find out. Because ew.

-Username17

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:43 pm

I'll take a look and just tank the SAN damage....

....

Okay, I think it's 'frank discussion'. The Rape page gets snarky about it in a couple of spots and I get the feel that the trope isn't that well-thought-of and seems to be a lazy cop-out. Divides the opinions into two broad groups. 1) Rape is a real-life traumatic event and shouldn't ever be used/joked about or otherwise glorified 2) Rape, in escapist fiction, is okay as long as it stays in escapist fiction. "Like Lolicon".

Blech. But free from molestation stories.

The Brother-Sister Incest page, chosen as another example, is free of real-life stories of molestation, and also free of the big "List of series with this trope". It's a big list of redlinks to what were once subpages.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri May 09, 2014 4:13 am

I started reading Rich Burlew's setting design articles, since the first couple looked decent and I could use the tips.

Then I got to this:

Rich Burlew wrote:In the end, I had a stroke of inspiration: what I needed was a low-magic, no-magic-item system that inherently limited spellcasters while supporting fighting- and skill-based characters. What I needed already existed, I just hadn't thought of it because it was…well, kind of out there. D20 Modern. Think about it: d20 Modern already is balanced for low-magic, and the core rules are put together on the assumption of no magic items and limited equipment (meaning that there is not a steady progression of equipment upgrades as your character advances). Spellcasters are all advanced classes, meaning that they wouldn't even find their way into the game until 5th level or higher. It seemed like it might be a good (if strange) fit, so I started to look a little closer at the ruleset.

The profession rules might seem strange, until you think that they could be used to simulate social class and birthrights; you would be able to pick either a noble or common "profession" that would grant certain bonuses and wealth levels. It will also let me separate being a priest from being someone who can cast spells. Priest will be a profession, which won't necessarily mean you need to learn the spellcasting class that goes with it. And the Wealth system is perfect, because it allows players to acquire items with an abstract system. Sure, the mechanic was set up to represent modern checking accounts and credit systems, but it could just as easily represent influence and the ultimate ownership lords have over everything on their land. You won't buy equipment in this new setting, after all; you'll ask your lord to grant it to you. The Wealth system works great for that.

*sigh* The decision to switch over to such a flawed system makes it hard for me to continue reading these... On the other hand, if one fixed the classes, I could see using d20Modern for a low-magic setting. Of course Burlew later says he's using the six core classes, but...

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Fri May 16, 2014 10:34 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0JJfkf-VTI

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Thu May 22, 2014 4:48 pm

http://www.somethingawful.com/dungeons- ... agazine/3/

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri May 23, 2014 9:05 am

I just realized that Wolverine actually shouldn't be able to use his claws to climb. If adamantium cuts through everything, trying to climb with claws of it would be like trying to scale a wall of butter. Unless he turned his fist perpendicular to the ground, so that his weight is held by the side of his claws, but they never show him doing that.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri May 23, 2014 9:25 am

Prak_Anima wrote:I just realized that Wolverine actually shouldn't be able to use his claws to climb. If adamantium cuts through everything, trying to climb with claws of it would be like trying to scale a wall of butter. Unless he turned his fist perpendicular to the ground, so that his weight is held by the side of his claws, but they never show him doing that.

Diamond cuts through anything but carborundum and people can climb with diamond spikes. Having something that is hard and sharp means that you can cut through a wall. But it still requires force to get through the wall and equal and opposite force will propel you upwards.

TL;DR: Learn 2 Physics.

-Username17

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:16 am

Right, I get that, but most materials should give way to a blade that is literally harder and sharper than diamond. A spike is different from a blade, what's keeping his weight from just pushing the blade of his claw through whatever he's climbing?

Honest question, I never took physics in high school, and what science classes I did have there never went over material hardness.

Orca · Post by **Orca** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:43 am

The energy required to break and distort all those molecular bonds in the wall around the claws has to come from somewhere. Gravity will provide some but if the wall's tougher than talc not all.

The Mohs hardness scale is based on how deeply a diamond cutting edge will score the material when applied with a given force IIRC. The answer is not infinity.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Fri May 23, 2014 10:44 am

Huh, ok.

angelfromanotherpin · Fri May 23, 2014 11:54 am

I'm continually amazed at the nits people will pick when they have already accepted that slight variations in cellular acids can control the weather.

schpeelah · Post by **schpeelah** » Fri May 23, 2014 12:51 pm

angelfromanotherpin wrote:I'm continually amazed at the nits people will pick when they have already accepted that slight variations in cellular acids can control the weather.

The accepted existence of wizards does not mean people will not be arguing about realistic fighters.

I think the confusion comes from the fact that when Wolverine wants to cut a hole through a wall, the claws totally do go through like butter. The demonstrated difficulty of cutting things with adamantium is just inconsistent.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri May 23, 2014 1:14 pm

If Wolverine could flex his hand slightly so that the blades were parallel or not, he would indeed be able to make the relative force required to cut through materials vary wildly.

||| == Cutting configuration.
\|/ == Climbing configuration.

He really wouldn't have to angle them very much, so you probably wouldn't even be able to tell he was doing it.

-Username17

Occluded Sun · Post by **Occluded Sun** » Fri May 23, 2014 6:48 pm

Well, I wouldn't say 'lost me'. But it destroyed whatever investment in the film I had managed.

"Only the Sith deal in absolutes."

edited to add: Regarding the adamantium claws thing:

The ease with which the claws can go through a substance depends mostly on their sharpness. Their toughness permits them to remain supersharp despite heavy use. Although Wolverine's claws can continue to cut through stuff because of how tough the metal is, as long as the material they're made out of is harder to disrupt than the stuff being cut, it's the degree to which the force is focused on a tiny edge that's critical.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sat May 24, 2014 1:40 am

ORIGINAL: David Goyer isn't instilling confidence in people who are concerned about how Wonder Woman will be treated in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Goyer, who wrote co-wrore the upcoming DC Comics film, has earned the ire of Marvel fans, as well as those of superheroins in general, by going off on a rather ignorant rant about the Marvel character of She-Hulk, calling her a "giant green porn star" by the end of it.

Goyer, who has been involved in several DC and Marvel projects over the years, appeared on a podcast and talked about She-Hulk among other things. Both Goyer and host Craig Mazin went over the top, with Mazin calling She-Hulk "Slut-Hulk" and Goyer calling her the "extension of the male power fantasy" and denigrating comic book readers AND writers in the process.

“I have a theory about She-Hulk. Which was created by an old man, right? And at the time in particular I think 95 percent of comic-book readers were men and certainly almost all of the comic-book writers were men. So The Hulk was this classic male power fantasy. It’s, like, most of the people reading comic books were these people like me who were just these little kids getting the s--- kicked out of them every day. … And so then they created She-Hulk, right? Who was still smart. … I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could [sexually explicit verb] if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s, like, if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk, then let’s create a giant, green porn star” who, as a character, serves to screw the Hulk."

“Well, he hasn’t been rebooted but he’s a mainstay in the Justice League. He can’t be fucking called the Martian Manhunter because that’s goofy. He can be called Manhunter… The whole deal with Martian Manhunter is he’s an alien living amongst us… So he comes down to Earth and decides, unlike Superman who already exists in the world now, that he’s just going to be a homicide detective… So instead of using super-powers and mind-reading and like, oh, I could figure out if the President’s lying or whatever, he just decides to disguise himself as a human homicide detective. Dare to dream! I mean really how many people here have heard of MM" *fans hold up hands* "Still with the show of hands, How many of you have actually been laid?"

Welp, I think I'm not watching any DC movie for a while.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:05 am

Wow, fuck him with a rusty spoon. In the eyes. There are so many things wrong and or insulting in that, I could make a drinking game of it.

I was tempted to see the new Superman Gets Gangbanged Movie, but after that, fuck 'em. DC can slowly lose all of it's readers and movie audience, and wonder what they're doing wrong, as they already are.

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:08 am

Chris Sims does an awesome takedown of Goyer.

Goyer’s got a point. Martian Manhunter is a relatively obscure character. Despite being featured in almost every incarnation of the Justice League, despite multiple attempts to brand him as a solo hero, he’s never caught on. He’s always a supporting character in someone else’s book, taking a back seat to more iconic characters, and I have my doubts that there’s a way to do a movie that could really make him stand out in his own right.

You know, sort of like Blade.

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Sat May 24, 2014 4:20 am

Comic books in general really lost me a long time ago.

AndreiChekov · Post by **AndreiChekov** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:29 am

Same here. I had a gf who tried to get me into them, and they just didn't have the appeal they used to.
Among other things
Chowder, Flapjack, and Invader Zim are no longer funny to me, they are just retarded.

Josh_Kablack · Post by **Josh_Kablack** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:30 am

Wow. That does clarify why the last two Superman movies were so insulting to the fans.

Sadly not the misogyny nor lack of understanding of the actual histories of the characters -- those are traits I take for granted in Hollywood types. It's the being a full generation and a half out of touch about who comics readers are that's absolutely flabbergasting to me.

AndreiChekov · Post by **AndreiChekov** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:37 am

I don't think that modern entertainment really cares who buys what. Those movies sold to people who knew that superman was something once. Sort of like the Iron Man movies and the Transformer movies. I hated them, but I haven't met anyone else who did.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sat May 24, 2014 5:50 am

At this moment, David Goyer's wikipedia entry says the following:

Wikipedia wrote:It was revealed in May 2014 that David S. Goyer is in fact a jackass with no respect for comic book fans. This revelation has confused many due to the fact that he writes comic book movies. A biopic regarding these events will be detailed in the film "How to Lose an Audience and Alienate your Fanbase."

That being said, this is a guy who did work on Blade: Trinity, Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance, and The Crow: City of Angels. While he has done work on some important work on some well liked DC movies, he has actually done more work for Marvel than for DC. When you look at the franchises he apparently likes: Blade, Ghostrider, Batman, The Crow, he appears to be a big fan of early nineties "edginess." So the fact that he is openly disdainful of characters written for a more juvenile audience is disappointing, but really not surprising.

One thing I will say about him is that almost all of his work appears to "start strong" and collapse into stupid. Blade is actually a great film, with Blade II and Blade III being incredibly incredibly bad. Barman Begins is a great film, but the third Batman film is kind of a mess. Goyer's work on The Crow sequel doesn't earn him any props because while it produced a delightfully insane White Zombie Video, I don't think anything else good came from that. That narrative really exemplifies his TV show "Flash Forward" which started very strong and completely lost me before the end of the first season to the point that I've actually mentioned it in this mega thread on page 29. The first season was also its only season because the show alienated so many viewers.

So above and beyond the fact that David Goyer is apparently a jerk who thinks that fans of the softer edged characters in comics are having badwrongfun, he's a person who can start a series well but not continue it worth a shit.

But the bottom line is that this honestly has nothing to do with Marvel vs. DC. We're talking about a Blade fan shitting on She Hulk fans and a Batman fan shitting on Martian Manhunter fans.

-Username17