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Heh, cool. I really need to go back to my 3rd gen games, but Diamond pretty much took over. That being said, I'm tempted to get Platinum when it comes out - Fire Punch for Bellyzard!

Playing aound with Shoddy Battle, I've been making themed teams, generally trying for EV/nature-tweaked versions of Pokemon I actually have in Diamond. There's even a "Team Sonic", focusing on the various hedgehog, ferret and weasel type Pokemon, many with Roll-out. Great fun.

Oh, and in Crystal, Red Gyarados is still proving to be all I need. REAL ultimate power!

Currently playing Disgaea DS - I have most N1 games, and the original Disgaea was always awesome.
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You people are too good at pokemon. I don't have the patience for that. In fact, I haven't even beaten Pokemon Pearl yet.
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It's the experience: Blue taught me that mainly focusing on one powerful Pokemon instead of a balanced team seriously will see you through the basic game.

That and if you've played one of them, you basically know how to play all of them - the expectations the game will have of you, the things to look out for, everything.
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You can actually get Fire Punch on Bellyzard without using Platinum, Koumei.
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Not according to Serebii you can't. It's not a level up move, not an Egg move, and not a TM move either. So unless you mean via AR codes (which I'm sure you don't, seeing as if we include AR codes, it can also learn Judgement and Spatial Rend) I don't see it happening.

My plan is to not do the standard Salac berry thing (speed boost from Salac and Fire boost from Blaze) and instead have it munch on Leftovers so as to last longer - then the fourth move could even be the overkill Flare Blitz.

That being said, Thunder Punch and Outrage are also good options for the second attack.
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Fire Punch is an Emerald tutor move. Belly Drum was breedable in Emerald. You can get both on the same set via that game.

Outrage is a bad option for the second attack. Never use it on anything that doesn't have STAB on it; there are always better options. Like Earthquake.
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Koumei wrote:It's the experience: Blue taught me that mainly focusing on one powerful Pokemon instead of a balanced team seriously will see you through the basic game.

That and if you've played one of them, you basically know how to play all of them - the expectations the game will have of you, the things to look out for, everything.
I was the Pokemon Pimp back on Gold/Silver/Crystal. I traded multiple Dittos across versions to speed up the breeding process, and basically got moves on Pokemon that shouldn't know them. Among other accomplishments:

-Breeding a Totodile with Rock Slide and Crunch (two of my favorite moves).

-Multi-generational breeding involving Skamory, Murkrow, Natu, and I forget the fourth one, to get a Natu/Xatu for Stadium 2 that had Psychic, Drill Peck, Steel Wing, and Faint Attack.

-Thanks to egg moves and item duplication and trading to my Blue version, I had several Machamps running around with Earthquake and Rock Slide, along with Cross Chop and Vital Throw. Worked pretty well for multiple areas of Stadium 2, as long as I didn't expect him to withstand more than two hits from an Alakazam.

Anyway, yeah, it's mostly experience and having been there before, Count. Oh, and if you go into breeding Pokemon, Serebii.net is a good place to look it up.
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I might be biased (having been an admin there), but I find Smogon's DP pokedex to be infinitely better than Serebii's. If only because it includes Emerald tutor moves as well.
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Surgo wrote:I might be biased (having been an admin there), but I find Smogon's DP pokedex to be infinitely better than Serebii's. If only because it includes Emerald tutor moves as well.
Serebii's has the Emerald tutor moves, last time I checked (yesterday).

Edit: Whoops, they don't on the D/P pokedex. But it's there in the GBA generation pokedex, if you want it.
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Yay for stragedy!

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So I got smart on my Ruby version.

Norman, the gym leader who specializes in Normal-types, has always given me some trouble, because those Slakings hit like a sonofabitch. After my first playthrough, I generally made it a point to have a Lairon on the team for that occasion.

This time, I realized I didn't have one and it'd take too long to raise one. Then I remembered that those damn Slakings will only act every other turn.

My Combusken has Bulk Up.

Basically, I used the off-turns to use Bulk Up, and then used a ton of potions to keep him alive until he was taking minimal damage from them.

Until, eventually, his Attack and Defense wouldn't raise further. A Double-Kick apiece took care of his team.

I wouldn't normally mention this kind of thing, but I'm actually proud of myself for thinking of it. I normally replace buff/debuff moves with attacks, and just just go for type advantages and focus on the fact that I have a good chance of taking out the opponent before they can get away with an elaborate series of buffs and debuffs.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Got even smarter on my Ruby version, sort of.

Last night, I racked up 78 wins in a row at the Battle Tower. I likely could have gone further, but the opponent's Latios scored, like, three criticals in a row with Dragon Claw, and there's not much you can do to withstand that.

Out of interest, here's my team for the level 50 Battle Tower.

Latias (holding the Soul Dew. Had to borrow an e-Card reader and scan a card I'd gotten in a Nintendo Power ages ago).

HP: 152
Attack: 80
Defense: 124
Special Attack: 137
Special Defense: 161
Speed: 136

Moves:
Dragonbreath
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Surf

Metagross (holding Brightpowder. Or Scope Lens. It varies a bit).

HP: 159
Attack: 144
Defense: 157
Special Attack: 125
Special Defense: 105
Speed: 98

Moves:
Meteor Mash
Psychic
Aerial Ace
Shadow Ball

Swampert (Holding Quick Claw)

HP: 170
Attack: 134
Defense: 116
Special Attack 104
Special Defense: 112
Speed: 92

Moves:
Brick Break
Ice Beam
Surf
Earthquake

Own analysis:

They've gotten me further than I've ever managed on the Battle Tower. Whatever the Soul Dew does, it works, because Latias kicks ass. The things that have given me the most trouble have been Pokemon like Milotic and various Dragon-types, and, oddly enough, Grass-types, because they're damn hard to drop in only a few hits. Also, at high levels, a Wobuffet can screw me over good, because it always guesses correctly whether to use Mirror Coat or Counter (I have long suspected the Pokemon games of cheating like this and only making their decision after they know what yours will be). Entertainingly enough, I accidentally nullified a lot of favorite enemy tactics.

Metagross is immune to Poison, and thus can't be nailed by Toxic. He's Psychic-type, so he also makes Poison-types pay hard with Psychic.

Latias is immune to Ground-type moves, which the game doesn't seem to understand and therefore tries to use if it has them. Latias also has a good round of resistances, and combined with her astronomical defense stats, she can shrug off hits that leave the other two down in the yellow life zone. I've even seen her survive--barely--a Blizzard from a Walrein. Oh, and Latias has a pathetic Attack stat, which I had a spark of genius and just gave her all Special-type moves. Now, if she's confused and hurts herself, I just laugh at the piddling damage she does to herself.

Metagross likewise can take hits, often taking piddling damage because of his resistances. Its high attack stat led me to give it mostly Attack-type moves (I got Meteor Mash at level 50 by holding off on evolving Metang until it learned the move). My growing strategy against Pokemon with high Special Defense is to bring out Metagross (if he's not already in play), and pound them down with Shadowball until their Special Defense lowers, then switch to Psychic. Also, Shadowball saved me in the three times the game broke out a Shedinja.

Swampert's Water/Ground type mix cancels out a lot of strengths and weaknesses, and makes him double-weak to Grass--meaning I dare not put him up against a Grass-Type if I can help it. (He took down a Sceptile once, though, but I believe it didn't actually have a Grass-type attack other than Leech Seed). He does have immunity to electric attacks, which makes him quite useful against just about every electric-type I can encounter.

I felt confident enough in this team that I actually used some irreplaceable TMs on this team to get their moveset, something I almost never do since they managed to write out the Pokemon/Item duplication trick.

As a side note, the Battle Tower hates me. I had been using the stat-boosters handed out on my own team, and then it started giving me nothing by Carbos. Likewise, once I started earning the good Hold items (42 wins and onward), it kept giving me Quick Claws. I have, like, four of the things now. And a Scope Lens. And a Bright Powder. And a White Herb
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Soul Dew grants Latios and Latias a 50% bonus to SpAtt and SpDef.

I have been playing Roguelike games lately. There is a Doom Roguelike. Yes, Doom, the FPS game that gave us the BFG. It's pretty awesome, actually.
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I just got Dead Space. Here's my review of it.

Oh neat, I got a plasma cu-OH GOD THERE ARE MONSTERS AND THEY'RE CLAWING AT ME OH GOD OH GOD SHOOT THE LEGS AAAAAARRRRGGGHHH


I haven't gotten very far yet.
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Post by Draco_Argentum »

Everyone should play Fallout 3 and Far Cry 2. Both excellent games.
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They're terrible games, Draco. Basically the gameplay is DOOM in a more realistic setting and less logical damage system. The tactics include shooting while being shot at.

Ugh.

Also, you still can't see your damn feet. Why can't you see your damn feet in any of these FPS games?

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I always just assume that you're a hand with a gun floating around pulling other guns out of hammerspace when I play FPS.
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Count_Arioch_the_28th wrote:I always just assume that you're a hand with a gun floating around pulling other guns out of hammerspace when I play FPS.
Metroid Prime was pretty decent about that.

You could see Samus running around when you switched in and out of the Morphball, and the guns were all different configurations of the arm cannon.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

--The horror of Mario

Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Maxus wrote:Latias (holding the Soul Dew. Had to borrow an e-Card reader and scan a card I'd gotten in a Nintendo Power ages ago).
The Soul Dew actually has no effect in the battle tower, so you should switch it out for Leftovers or something immediately.
Crissa wrote:Also, you still can't see your damn feet. Why can't you see your damn feet in any of these FPS games?
Since when was Fallout 3 an FPS?
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Fallout 3 is an FPS.

First Person, Shooter.

That's what it is.

Since they made it one? Wasn't Fallout 2 an FPS as well? I didn't play it.

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Though I've never played them and never will, I thought the Fallout series was a tactical combat game (like Disgaea, except not awesome) or Arcanum-style RPG.
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The first couple of Fallout games were really rpgs that borrowed from tactical games (hex grid, turns limited by action points, only controlled your character in the party) and were great. You can get them off of gog.com for $6 each if you're interested. Fallout: Tactics was heavier on the tactics and lighter on the rpg, and let you control your whole group but didn't have much story. Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is generally ignored, but was an action rpg.

Fallout 3 is as close to an FPS as any of the Elder Scrolls (most recently Oblivion) are, which is to say that it uses the same interface basically but has quite a bit more depth. Damage is not totally dependant on twitch mechanics or user aim (so it's not a particularly good FPS in that respect) but also tied to skills that determine combat effectiveness. Even if you're pointing directly at someone, if your skill with the weapon sucks you're likely to fire wide (unless you're on top of them already and being shot at). If you treat it like an FPS, you tend to suck and die lots, or not have any skill points left over for anything else.

The game plays out much better if you treat it as a tactical rpg with an FPS interface. You get action points still, but you only use them to target specific parts of an opponent, hopefully damaging those sections enough that the target is impaired in some way (or so that their head flies off). So the game turns into a game of tag, where you wait for them to empty a clip or turn a corner, trigger your points to take out their weapon or shoot them in the face, and then retreat until your points have recovered. It's not amazingly fantastical, but it works well and is as close to the original style as you could get away with in a 3d game.
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I guess you can call Fallout 3 a FPS if you somehow consider Oblivion or Morrowind to be shooters.
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They're Doom just like Go is Chess. Also if you think Fallout is realistic try some reality some time.
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Surgo wrote:
Maxus wrote:Latias (holding the Soul Dew. Had to borrow an e-Card reader and scan a card I'd gotten in a Nintendo Power ages ago).
The Soul Dew actually has no effect in the battle tower, so you should switch it out for Leftovers or something immediately.
Damn. Ah, well, fair's fair...

The trouble will be finding something decent. Latias generally KOs stuff in a few hits, so Leftovers might not be as effective as straight-up-and-even slugger like Metagross.

Thanks for letting me know.
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Someone is working on making altered sprites for pokemon...

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PS: Other images on that site are not worksafe.
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