The Gaming Den

sake wrote: Except by RAW that extra at-will humans got couldn't be augmented.

I was thinking more that Battlemind/Psion/Ardent all had a 1st level power that they would need unaugmented for the rest of their career. For example:

Battlemind: Twisted Eye - Gives a substantial attack penalty. Or Concussive Spike, which allows multi-target Murder Pinball.

Ardent: Intent Laid Bare - Melee Basic Attack. Which you need.

Psion: Mind Thrust / Kinetic Trawl - Gives a Ranged Basic Attack. Which you don't need as badly as the Ardent needs the Melee Basic attack but is still very helpful for the right setups/parties.

tussock wrote:Hey now @sake, some of the Dragon Kings stuff for 2nd edition Psi was kind of awesome too. I saw a few people have a lot of fun playing 2nd edition Psionicists in general, they just suffered from the 3e Monk problem of not really being able to contribute, except when they dumped all their PPs and won.

I ended up giving them a pet Fighter to give them something to do for the rest of the day. Worked well enough, though the players in question were kind enough to not break the game with their PP dumps.

The way I remember it Fighter/Psion was the way to go. Not the strongest thing in the world, but you can still contribute after you drop your one Disintegrate for the day.

So, what's wrong with Psionics and Chi being the same thing.

My definition:
Chi = your Life Force
Psi = your brain power

OgreBattle wrote:So, what's wrong with Psionics and Chi being the same thing.

Abolutely nothing. It's the only useful idea to come out of 4E power sources.

Hey, and you know what is an even more useful idea? "Chi" or "Psi" power sources are meaningless unless meaning is created for them, and they can be equally meaningful/less alone or together.

tussock wrote:3e Psi added back in the original progressions as spell levels, which worked, but then made all the powers into fireball-like d6/pp effects, which missed the point dramatically. Like 2nd edition it totally misses the Eldritch Horror and Yogic elements of the idea, replacing that with new age crystals.

Honestly, as much as I normally find new age laughable, I prefer the crystals and demons approach over hindu yogic stuff. That's just me though.

edit: Also, intellect devourers. Though mostly that's just because the idea of a brain with reptile legs has always seemed kind of cute to me.