Best System for Dragonlance?

[angelfromanotherpin]

Shakers don't have children because they don't have sex. Chastity's a big part of their faith. So they lose two times: once for not having little ones raised in the faith, and twice for alienating anyone who enjoys sexual acts.

Compare that to Catholicism's fetishistic 'make-the-babies' stance.

[Draco_Argentum]

1197058459[/unixtime]]Honestly all Western Religions sadly look that way to me. They're all designed to convert people, and that's about it.

I'd say Buddhism's stance on material goods is a great way to keep peasants in line.

[Username17]

Christianity is very far fetched. However, while Jesus never existed, the whole thing is not without precedence. It's an astrological cult, and based on some very old Egyptian traditions.

I mean, the Sun really does set beneath the "Southern Cross" for three days starting on December 24th, after which it is "reborn" as the days get longer. And so it is no wonder that Osiris was sent as the son of Ra to teach the people of Egypt about the afterlife with his twelve disciples and was eventually betrayed and crucified only to be reborn three days after his death.

The only real difference is that Osiris was represented by a bull, YHWH was represented by a ram, Jesus was represented by a fish, and supposedly the next version is going to be represented by a man carrying water. I'm willing to bet that the Egyptian Astrological Cult won't die out in another twentyone hundred years and that the version after the waterbearer will be a fucking sea goat.

-Username17

[JonSetanta]

Frank, does the term Age of Aquarius ring a bell?

[RandomCasualty]

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I'd say Buddhism's stance on material goods is a great way to keep peasants in line.

Yeah, it very well may be, but I honestly don't know enough about Eastern religions to actually criticize them, so I left them out of this. I'm not saying Eastern religions are necessarily better, just that I don't know enough to say one way or the other.

[angelfromanotherpin]

Osiris was represented by a bull, YHWH was represented by a ram, Jesus was represented by a fish

Christianity stole the fish symbol from the Philistine's cult of Dagon, along with the 'fish on Fridays' deal, and the shape of the Bishops' hats (which is a fish's mouth).

Just sayin'.

[Koumei]

Dagon? As in "one of the random Lovecraftian horrors"? Please tell me the cult (that preceded the author, I'm fully aware of this) worshipped something appropriately eldritch.

[Username17]

1197118100[/unixtime]]Dagon? As in "one of the random Lovecraftian horrors"? Please tell me the cult (that preceded the author, I'm fully aware of this) worshipped something appropriately eldritch.

Sorry, Baal and Dagon are pretty tame. Dagon is just an agriculture deity. The maritime Canaanites worshiped him with fish parts, the land bound canaanites did not.

-Username17

[angelfromanotherpin]

Lovecraft's Dagon, father and patron of the Deep Ones, is named after the Judaic demon Dagon; but before he was a demon, Dagon was the chief god of the Philistines, whom the ancient Jews hated like all get-out. To the extent that when King David was courting a wife, her father demanded one hundred Philistine foreskins as a bride-price, and David came back with two hundred, because he just couldn't get enough of mutilating Philistine wang. Or so the Bible tells us.

Somewhere in the murky depths of early Christianity, many of the rites and symbols of the Dagon cult were absorbed, and Dagon himself was pronounced a demon, in a sterling example of the process that would be repeated over and over in the hilarious game of Religimon that Catholicism practiced.

[RandomCasualty]

1197119421[/unixtime]]Lovecraft's Dagon, father and patron of the Deep Ones, is named after the Judaic demon Dagon; but before he was a demon, Dagon was the chief god of the Philistines, whom the ancient Jews hated like all get-out. To the extent that when King David was courting a wife, her father demanded one hundred Philistine foreskins as a bride-price, and David came back with two hundred, because he just couldn't get enough of mutilating Philistine wang. Or so the Bible tells us.

Awesome. Where is that in the bible? It'd be nice to have that next time I get into a religious argument with someone about how holy and pure the bible is.

[RandomCasualty]

1197094797[/unixtime]]Shakers don't have children because they don't have sex. Chastity's a big part of their faith. So they lose two times: once for not having little ones raised in the faith, and twice for alienating anyone who enjoys sexual acts.

Yeah, who the hell would want to be a Shaker anyway?

I'll take multiple wives or even 600 virgins in heaven over them anyday.

[angelfromanotherpin]

Awesome. Where is that in the bible? It'd be nice to have that next time I get into a religious argument with someone about how holy and pure the bible is.

The foreskin thing is 1 Samuel 18:25-27. Honestly, though, lots of the Old Testament is about sex, but prudes have tried to cover it up by translating 'testicles' as 'feet,' and 'penis' as 'nose,' and other such nonsense. The entirety of the Song of Solomon is an ode to getting busy. Also check out Ezekiel 23:19-20, which is about how ridiculously hung Egyptians are.

Honestly, though, this is the internet era. Someone's got to have an archive of all the smut in the Bible.
[counturl=123]Here's[/counturl] a decent start.

[RandomCasualty]

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The foreskin thing is 1 Samuel 18:25-27. Honestly, though, lots of the Old Testament is about sex, but prudes have tried to cover it up by translating 'testicles' as 'feet,' and 'penis' as 'nose,' and other such nonsense. The entirety of the Song of Solomon is an ode to getting busy. Also check out Ezekiel 23:19-20, which is about how ridiculously hung Egyptians are.

Honestly, though, this is the internet era. Someone's got to have an archive of all the smut in the Bible.
[counturl=124]Here's[/counturl] a decent start.

Heh thanks. This stuff is classic.

[Koumei]

1197119421[/unixtime]]in the hilarious game of Religimon that Catholicism practiced.

Yeah, Religimon! Dagon, use the splash attack!

[Captain_Bleach]

Back on topic, what would be the best way to express steampunk in D&D/d20, or has there yet to be a clear and concise source for said subject?

[JonSetanta]

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Yeah, Religimon! Dagon, use the splash attack!

Not very effective.

Pastor Melissa Scott uses Confusion!

[CalibronXXX]

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Christianity stole the fish symbol from the Philistine's cult of Dagon, along with the 'fish on Fridays' deal, and the shape of the Bishops' hats (which is a fish's mouth).

Just sayin'.

All of those are Catholic. Not Christian. Catholics are only slightly closer to Christians than pagans and Muslims are.

[Captain_Bleach]

Is anyone going to get back on topic and answer my question, or should I just officially declare this thread derailed?

[Leress]

1197150252[/unixtime]]Is anyone going to get back on topic and answer my question, or should I just officially declare this thread derailed?

Since the question is really about moving fluff. My answer would be any bloody one you want. Each system is as good as another.

[Captain_Bleach]

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1197150252[/unixtime]]Is anyone going to get back on topic and answer my question, or should I just officially declare this thread derailed?

Since the question is really about moving fluff. My answer would be any bloody one you want. Each system is as good as another.

Thank you, Leress.
You seem to be more patient on these boards than others here.

P.S. Are you British or Australian? You seem to use the "bloody" adjective a lot.

[Leress]

P.S. Are you British or Australian? You seem to use the "bloody" adjective a lot.

Neither, I just watch a lot of BBC and it just got stuck in my vocabulary.

[Bigode]

Calibron, you tell me Catholicism isn't a subset of Christianity? Please explain.

[Count Arioch the 28th]

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Christianity stole the fish symbol from the Philistine's cult of Dagon, along with the 'fish on Fridays' deal, and the shape of the Bishops' hats (which is a fish's mouth).

Just sayin'.

All of those are Catholic. Not Christian. Catholics are only slightly closer to Christians than pagans and Muslims are.

[CalibronXXX]

Catholicism, with all it's saints and angels and other things you pray to, is as much ancestor worship and pantheism as it is monotheism. As I'm sure most of you know a very large number of their traditions are only renamed pagan rituals. Catholicism is just a big mishmash of different faiths systems that makes little internal sense and isn't purely anything. If you are of the impression that anyone who simply says they believe in God is a Christian than yeah, catholics and even the majority of Americans are Christian; I know that a Christian is someone who has been born again, and you can't follow all of the catholic rules and still try your best act like a Christian unless you're just ignorant of everything you're doing wrong.

And honestly, a cat wearing a scarf is anything but a failure.

[Captain_Bleach]

I don't get why some Christians detest pagans so much when so many parts of Christianity have been stolen from pagan beliefs.