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Just wondering, but how are we going to treat the feats from ToN and ToF?

Undead creation feats scale already.

Most of the fiend feats are made for monsters, and either don't need to scale or scale already.

Since Delay Spell can only delay a spell by up to five rounds, you already have a very real limit on how many can be running.

What's ToN/ToF?

virgileso wrote:What's ToN/ToF?

Necromancy and Fiends, Tomes of.

The 5-round limit on Delay Spell means you can open the fight with 5-6 (depending on initiative) rounds worth of spellcasting, on the level where fights usually takes only one or two rounds - and you are giving this ability specifically to stealthy casters with free Still & Silent spells. This is strictly better than Quicken which is the top tier of power for metamagic feats.
In fact, what exactly do we want Delaying a spell to achieve? Mad Max style casually-walk-away-from-an-explosion kind of stunts? Traps that go off in a couple seconds?
Anyway, I propose the limit of 2 or 3 delayed spells and instead extending the maximum time of delay - 1 minute? 5? 10? Won't really matter mechanically.

Oh, and they are talking about Tome of Necromancy and Tome of Fiends.

Edit: Damn, ninja'd.

How about a feat that allows you to create temporary spell traps in a single round?
That would be greatly preferred to Delay, IMO

Ah, that's what you mean. Not sure how to treat them, personally; as I still use them in my own game. From what I recall, most of the [Fiend] feats were still worth it because they gave scaling abilities that were individually more powerful than what the most of the [Combat] feats gave (just look at Large Size). Even the [Necromantic] feats give minions that are almost as powerful as cohorts, so they don't need an inherent scaling mechanic like the [Combat] & [Skill] ones do.

In fact, that was part of the reason I avoided some of the more powerful ideas I had for a feat with a progression. Looking at it, I think I'll just cross out the upper level power and split the next highest one.

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