New Frank & K Tome pdf

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:37 am

None of the links you gave me work, Maxus, even with copy pasting.

But I'll keep in mind that you post things over there. (But please, link them back if you want them included! My life is crazy as it is without having to comb two sources.)

Glad people are enjoying.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:50 am

They aren't? Damnation!

Edit: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:Genowhirl

Try that.

koz · Post by **koz** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:56 am

One thing which has been bugging me endlessly is the missing class skill list for the Shadow Warrior. I humbly propose the one a player of mine compiled for his Shadow Warrior in my game as a suitable candidate:

Hide/Move Silently: SHADOW, 'nuff said.
Concentration/Spellcraft: SLAs, 'nuff said.
Knowledge (the Planes): Plane of Shadow says hi. Oh, and the Nightwalker I later get as a cohort.
Knowledge (religion): class can create Shadows by negative-level kills, so knowing about undead wouldn't hurt.
Balance/Tumble: seemingly staple skills for lightly armored, lithe (often Dex-based) character types.
Spot/Listen: because most classes have them.
Intimidate: playing on a sub-theme of shadows, and I really want the skill for my build, which involves scaring the shit out of whoever I beat up.
Bluff: asides from Intimidate, I've got Charisma-based class abilities, so it'd be nice to have, I guess. And not everything can be scared.
Sense Motive: if I can lie, then I'd probably want to know that other people could lie too. Or something like that.

What do you think of this? Also, Ceilingcat, how does it seem to you?

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:13 am

Mine had been previously approved - doesn't mean it's better, of course. But I think yours miss some fitting stuff, and I'd only add Concentration, which indeed I forgot; identifying spells sounds like one of those things that innately-gifted people don't do, and the knowledges don't sound all that fitting (IMO) for a class that gets fixed undead. I'm aware, to be honest, that I included crap in my list - but the Tome lists aren't sanitized either, and alternative skill writeups, skill fusions, and/or skill feats might make that moot. Also, I never got around to a more serious flavor - will do ...

koz · Post by **koz** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:11 am

@ Bigode: Knowledges are used to ID monsters. If you cannot do that, you, by nature, know nothing about stuff that lives on the Plane of Shadow. If you don't know that, you fail at the flavour of your class.

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:32 pm

Mister_Sinister wrote:@ Bigode: Knowledges are used to ID monsters. If you cannot do that, you, by nature, know nothing about stuff that lives on the Plane of Shadow. If you don't know that, you fail at the flavour of your class.

A given shadow warrior doesn't need to know anything about any undead they don't control, and isn't failing at flavor if they don't, but I can get behind the class deserving access. Spellcraft stays out IMO, though. So whaddya say about adding the knowledges to my list?

koz · Post by **koz** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:38 pm

Yeah, I'm with that.

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:55 pm

So:

Appraise, Balance, Bluff, Climb, Concentration, Disable Device, Disguise, Escape Artist, Gather Information, Hide, Intimidate, Jump, Knowledge (all), Listen, Move Silently, Search, Sense Motive, Sleight of Hand, Spot, Survival, Swim, Tumble, Use Rope.

?

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:15 pm

Aktariel wrote:So:

Appraise, Balance, Bluff, Climb, Concentration, Disable Device, Disguise, Escape Artist, Gather Information, Hide, Intimidate, Jump, Knowledge (all), Listen, Move Silently, Search, Sense Motive, Sleight of Hand, Spot, Survival, Swim, Tumble, Use Rope.

?

Only planes and religion. Will get back to ya with flavor ... tomorrow at worst.

koz · Post by **koz** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:57 am

*Motions for this to be included, if Aktariel isn't dying yet.*

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:57 am

Nope.

But I could use someone who can explain the inbuilt LaTeX commands to me - Surgo, if you're free, I could use your ideas on some formatting issues.

I did already grab a copy of that for the PDF.

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:10 pm

New Build Available:

Tome of Awesome v0.6 build 20: Via MediaFire

koz · Post by **koz** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:44 pm

Tome of Awesome? Oh yeah!

EDIT: Am I blind, or are the spheres that the curator is meant to take not in there?
EDIT 2: Unorthodox Fighter feat has some formatting issues. Also, [Combat] feats are all labelled with square-bracketed subtypes.
EDIT 3: The Drunken Master text is missing Drink Like Two Devils and Gulp It Down.

ZER0 · Post by **ZER0** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:53 am

Can't wait to see the version with the Ranger in it. I feel so... honoured.

...

I think I need new pants.

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:56 am

1) You're not blind. I'm still trying to figure out the best formatting for them.

2) Fixed; and, I guess my response is, "So? All the rest of the ones everywhere else in the book are like that..."

3) My bad. Fixed.

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:22 am

Tome of Awesome v0.6 build 23: Via Mediafire.

The "ZERO Needs New Pants" Edition.

In the "This Shit Is Bananas" build series.

Known Issues:
- The Ranger has incorrect table formatting
- the Curator is missing his Spheres
- the Combat Feats are spaced poorly because of the length of some of them
- Yes, the Magic Items section is there and empty simply as a placeholder.

However,

I'm going crazy. Doing too much in life, plus this. Additionally, this is starting to get out of hand - people suggest things, and I put them in, and then they change them, and I have to merge and track changes, and then incorporate suggestions, and the list of stuff to include keeps running out in front of what I can put in...

We need two things (or rather, I need two things)
One is more people who understand LaTeX, so they can put things in the correct markup, so i don't have to do it all myself,

and two is some sort of version control, so we can all track and merge changes.

Then we could set up a build bot and have nightlies!

Yeah... Just throwing thoughts out there.

zeruslord · Post by **zeruslord** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:32 am

That would be awesome, but I doubt we can actually manage to get it set up and working reasonably.

koz · Post by **koz** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:43 am

I would be willing to pitch in however possible, but I cannot help with the LaTeX issues.

EDIT: Here and here have a lot of feats which should be included, in my humble opinion. Especially the skill feats. If you've already noticed this, Aktariel, sorry, but just reminding ya.

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:18 am

The feats that are marked for inclusion are:

Everything so far (Duh)

Flurry of Blows
Intelligent Fighter
Improved Natural Weapons (AKA Eleven Testicles)
Master of Submissions
Spell Focus
Bottomless Magic
Timeless Magic
Stealth Magic
Elemental Mastery
Mountaineer
Super Jump
Mystic
Architect
Delver
World Traveller
Historian
Local Color
Environmentalist
Feral Spirit
Regal
Undead Hunter
Profound Presense
Cosmologist
Scholar
Multi-Weapon Fighting
Jack of all Trades
Ghostly Visage
Trickery
Banter
Coward
Cerebral Assassin
Deific Attention
Ki Shot
Lifecrafter
Mental Weaponry
Painmonger
Sky Scraper
Spirit Pressure
Evocation Focus
Necromancy Focus
Conjuration Focus

Any questions or things that I missed?

If you want to help, try finding out what happened to Iaimeki and getting me a copy of his prestige class documents.

If you really want to help, how good are you at recognizing patterns and copying and pasting?

koz · Post by **koz** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:20 am

Tracing Iameki is something I can attempt, but I'm not exactly on a first-name basis with most of this place, so I may be the wrong one to ask.

As for pattern recognition and C/P, that I can do reasonably well.

Near as I can see, nothing missed. Good job!

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:38 am

Aktariel wrote:I'm going crazy. Doing too much in life, plus this. Additionally, this is starting to get out of hand - people suggest things, and I put them in, and then they change them, and I have to merge and track changes, and then incorporate suggestions, and the list of stuff to include keeps running out in front of what I can put in...

Yeah, this is really why I only wanted to include things of the highest-caliber quality that weren't likely to get changes. The Tome isn't a wiki.

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:40 am

Surgo wrote:Yeah, this is really why I only wanted to include things of the highest-caliber quality that weren't likely to get changes. The Tome isn't a wiki.

Then please, I'm open to suggestions. No hubris, no sarcasm.

Wondering what your thoughts are.

Also, while you're at it, would you mind looking at the source and seeing if you can fix some things? Or explain to me how the heck stuff happens?

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:56 am

My thoughts are the same as they always were: stupidly hard-to-get-through selection process. Usually approximated by me forgetting things and being passive-aggressive about inclusions.

I'll look through the source in a couple days when I'm done with this semester. Can you post a link to a source tarball, if you haven't already?

Aktariel · Post by **Aktariel** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:34 am

I can; any particular reason you want it tarballed?

Bigode · Post by **Bigode** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:05 am

Aktariel wrote:If you really want to help, how good are you at recognizing patterns and copying and pasting?

Pretty good. What exactly is needed?

Aktariel wrote:Then please, I'm open to suggestions. No hubris, no sarcasm.

Do what I keep telling you to, which's what Surgo says both now and long before you took over.

Mister_Sinister wrote:Tracing Iameki is something I can attempt, but I'm not exactly on a first-name basis with most of this place, so I may be the wrong one to ask.

As I wanted to talk to Iaimeki about other things besides, I took this over with Sinister's permission and e-mailed Iaimeki. But, Aktariel, I swear I understood why you felt you needed "a document" as much as Iaimeki did (i.e. not at all) - what specifications would you like for that document that can't be obtained from Ctrl+C/V from the thread and a text processor? Tell me, and I might produce one myself.

Oh, yeah: if you're to rename at all, could you use a less crappy name, such as the much better suggestions "Tome of Game Balance" or "How Things Ought to Be"?