What is the biggest debacle of RPG history?

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:39 pm

Er, I mean people who maintain that Matrix 2 and 3 never happened.

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:53 pm

Like this.
http://xkcd.com/566/

wotmaniac · Post by **wotmaniac** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:55 pm

I've always liked how Highlander 2 was literally ret-conned out of the franchise. Bravo.

Leress · Post by **Leress** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:57 pm

wotmaniac wrote:I've always liked how Highlander 2 was literally ret-conned out of the franchise. Bravo.

Unfortunately, Endgame and The Source happened.

K · Post by K » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:03 pm

wotmaniac wrote:I've always liked how Highlander 2 was literally ret-conned out of the franchise. Bravo.

The real masterstroke was how the Highlander TV series retconned out ALL the movies.

Unfortunately, they set that on fire when the post-series movies started trying to merge the series with the movies. This leaves people to declare that "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!" with either the first movie OR the series.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:43 am

While I'm more than comfortable making jokes at the expense of Matrix & Tool worshiping uber-bros,* I think the quality gap between the first Matrix and its sequels is sufficient enough that I have hard time faulting people much for the shopworn "Doesn't exist" jokes. I mean, yeah, Morpheus clearly pulled his profundities from out of a fortune cookie and the plot wasn't nearly as hard to explain or as mind-blowing as some people seemed to think it was, but at the same time the film was still dimly aware of the "Show, don't tell" principle of story telling. For example, Keanu would get stubborn and the movie would respond by getting weirder. The getting bugged sequence doesn't make my top 10 sci-fi moments by any means, but it did a fairly memorable job of disillusioning Neo and demonstrating that the old rules no longer apply. Compared to the bullshit exposition slogs in the subsequent movies that's a big point in the film's favor.

*These guys also tend to be big fans of Fight Club (Semi-defensible) and Boondock Saints (lolno) for some reason.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:47 am

K wrote:
wotmaniac wrote:I've always liked how Highlander 2 was literally ret-conned out of the franchise. Bravo.
The real masterstroke was how the Highlander TV series retconned out ALL the movies.

Unfortunately, they set that on fire when the post-series movies started trying to merge the series with the movies. This leaves people to declare that "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!" with either the first movie OR the series.

Highlander is a great franchise where almost half the fanbase agrees that the first half of the first film happened.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:48 am

*nods*
One of the best 1 Hour Movies i have ever seen.

hyzmarca · Post by **hyzmarca** » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:05 am

I think that most Series fans agree that Archangel never happened. Man, that was a stupid one.

phlapjackage · Post by **phlapjackage** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:24 am

Parthenon wrote:Aliens vs Predator... nah. Never happened. They only crossed over in a couple of comics, and definitely never in films. Or a lot of other crossovers. Definitely not Superman and Batman vs Aliens and Predator.

The "best" crossover was on film in Predator, where the alien skull is glimpsed inside the Predator's dwelling. (sorry if my sarcasm meter is broken)

I remember (vaguely!) reading an Aliens3 script that had it set in a monastery instead of a prison and not thinking the script was total crap, but that was like 15 years ago...and now I go to google to find said script and read it...

*edit* ...aaaaand I'm realizing how little I know about the Aliens franchise history as I read wikipedia...would've liked to see Gibson's Aliens3....

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:10 am

The most fun I've had with Alien vs Predator was the Capcom brawler

Really fantastic artwork by Akira Yasuda.

zugschef · Post by **zugschef** » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:10 am

Admittedly, the only version of Alien3 you should watch is the Director's Cut which at least makes sense and has a conclusive storyline. The Director's Cut is still a pretty meh movie and disappointing, but at least it's popcorn.