Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:34 pm
Oh, yeah, no, I, ironically, don't have a chance in Hell. I just am sick of conservative America's islamophobia, and want them to shit themselves by putting up what they fear even more- a satanist/atheist.
See, when the icky brown people are gone, no one will be mooching off honest hardworking Americans and taxes will not be needed; everyone will be a billionaire if they want it hard enough. It's "keep your government hands off my medicare" all the way down.Lago PARANOIA wrote:But I don't understand what's up with Trump. His entire deal was that he was supposed to be a different kind of Republican who was not only going to eject the nasty hordes of brown people but also put a bit more dough in his supporters' paychecks by sticking it to their bosses. Is he also trying to slurp up some money from the plutocratic wing?
Today's Republican Party is made up of plutocrats, evangelist fundamentalist Christians, fiscal conservatives, libertarians, and nativists, with large crossovers between some but not all of those circles. The base voters that it appeals to are predominantly older, white, Christian, low-to-middle class and small business owners - that's the electorate. But the party apparatus is dominated by special interests in the form of big business, including a number of millionaires and billionaires with concentrated interests in privatization of government lands and services, defense and medical contracts, farm subsidies, deregulation, etc.Lago PARANOIA wrote:What the hell is wrong with the Republican Party right now? I mean, above and beyond their basic problems. The big thing these past two weeks, besides Carson and Jeb! doubling down on the 'goddamn lazy blax want handouts, lol' myths, is the candidates going into an overclass-slobbering policy frenzy.
I can understand in a twisted sort of way Jeb Bush deciding to double-down on plutocracy. He's slipping badly in the polls and is trying to sweeten the deal for his sugar daddies. But I don't understand what's up with Trump. His entire deal was that he was supposed to be a different kind of Republican who was not only going to eject the nasty hordes of brown people but also put a bit more dough in his supporters' paychecks by sticking it to their bosses. Is he also trying to slurp up some money from the plutocratic wing?
That makes sense. The easiest way to support an issue is to bribe the people who oppose it.Ancient History wrote:http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/t ... ase-214203
While this is something I already knew about the bait and switch I am surprised that he is actually talking about it.Ancient History wrote:http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/t ... ase-214203
Trump was an interesting phenomenon specifically because he wasn't John "The Maverick" McCain. He was an actual anti-establishment candidate, wearing the base's racism as a badge of honor while rejecting the plutocratic planks of the party in favor of economic populism. Note that the establishment candidates are doing the exact opposite of that, promising to suck plutocrat cock more than ever while rejecting the base's racism in the name of electability.MGuy wrote:Also I am curious about why Lago is upset with Trump's appeal to plutocrats. I thought he was of the opinion that his rhetoric did not matter whether he was saying sane things or not.
I don't think that the GOP plutocrats will ever get behind Trump no matter how much he tailors his platform to directly enrich them should he win. He's an unacceptable danger to their short-term and long-term interests in a way that a Carson or Fiorina (also hopeless candidates) wouldn't be.DSMatticus wrote:He has no particular reason to keep threatening their interests, so now he's running as the racist establishment candidate that the plutocrats can (if forced to) get behind.
What a jackass."We're in a difficult time in our country and I don't think more government is necessarily the answer to this. I think we need to reconnect ourselves with everybody else. It's very sad to see. I resist the notion," Bush said at a campaign stop in South Carolina. "I had this challenge as governor, 'cause we had, look, stuff happens, there's always a crisis. And the impulse is always to do something and it's not necessarily the right thing to do."
He's completely right, though.Lago PARANOIA wrote:What a jackass."We're in a difficult time in our country and I don't think more government is necessarily the answer to this. I think we need to reconnect ourselves with everybody else. It's very sad to see. I resist the notion," Bush said at a campaign stop in South Carolina. "I had this challenge as governor, 'cause we had, look, stuff happens, there's always a crisis. And the impulse is always to do something and it's not necessarily the right thing to do."
Yes, like the Patriot act. This is just a tragedy they're willing to let go to waste because they can't use it in a way they like.hyzmarca wrote:He's completely right, though.Lago PARANOIA wrote:What a jackass."We're in a difficult time in our country and I don't think more government is necessarily the answer to this. I think we need to reconnect ourselves with everybody else. It's very sad to see. I resist the notion," Bush said at a campaign stop in South Carolina. "I had this challenge as governor, 'cause we had, look, stuff happens, there's always a crisis. And the impulse is always to do something and it's not necessarily the right thing to do."
Knee-jerk responses to tragedies tend to have horrible results.
Seriously? Fuck you. Deciding to limit gun ownership is the same as locking up innocent people to you? Are minimum wage laws enslaving the rich too?hyzmarca wrote:You could always go full Sibyl System. Use give everyone a crime risk score based on known risk factors in public databases. Those with a score that's over a certain threshold are preemptively imprisoned as latent criminals.
Not innocent people, bad people. It's tautological that if you remove of all violent people from society then there will be no violence. The disease isn't too many guns. The disease is too many people who think that violence is a good idea. Getting rid of them isn't particularly easy, but neither is gun control.Kaelik wrote:Seriously? Fuck you. Deciding to limit gun ownership is the same as locking up innocent people to you? Are minimum wage laws enslaving the rich too?hyzmarca wrote:You could always go full Sibyl System. Use give everyone a crime risk score based on known risk factors in public databases. Those with a score that's over a certain threshold are preemptively imprisoned as latent criminals.
No, actually gun control is really easy. We managed it here. In Australia. For decades. We had an easy and beneficial increase in gun control under a conservative government that was otherwise massively incompetent to the point of being officially branded by the IMF as Australia's most wasteful government in history (you know, despite being, again, conservative and thus somewhat in line with their traditionally preferred policies).hyzmarca wrote:The disease is too many people who think that violence is a good idea. Getting rid of them isn't particularly easy, but neither is gun control.