The Shadowrun Situation

Ferret · Post by **Ferret** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:03 pm

Early previews are starting to filter in:

http://minimodelgeek.blogspot.ca/2013/0 ... iew_8.html

http://samhaine.wordpress.com/2013/07/0 ... irst-look/

These were retweeted by Catalyst so clearly they're not going to be too critical

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:39 pm

SR5 has been released.
Shit hit the fan.
The PDF sold out immediately anyway . .
What the fuck people?
http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/1 ... _id=379747

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:52 pm

What what?
How does a PDF sell out? It's a fucking PDF.

Parthenon · Post by **Parthenon** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:56 pm

The... PDF sold out? Why would you even want to put a limit on the number of PDFs you sell?

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:03 pm

No idea.
I'm guessing they redacted that file, because they managed to send DriveThrough the WRONG FILE TO PUBLISH!
Missing Bookmarks.
Missing Corrections.
Missing Graphics.
Errors in the Formatting.
Errors in the Graphics.

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:03 pm

Yeah, no real surprises there.

phlapjackage · Post by **phlapjackage** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:04 pm

I heard that it was probably the wrong "version" of the PDF, had messed up formatting and no bookmarks and stuff. So it probably got pulled until they could offer the correct version.

*edit* ninja'd! ouch it hurts

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:05 pm

Well, that's not sold out then.
That's.. oops, we need to replace it, stop selling that shit. It's sad, but totally acceptable to stop selling the wrong pdf

Otakusensei · Post by **Otakusensei** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:24 pm

Let's hope for their sake that the real corrected PDF exists...

Rawbeard · Post by **Rawbeard** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:25 pm

It really do not know what I expected.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:26 pm

Oh it totally existed.. but then some intern accidentally saved a 3 month old version over it.. and they couldn't afford to be doing backups.. and.. well.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:29 pm

And then they sent it to the printers and then started to release the previews and lo and behold, dumbshock went into overdrive and found some massive errors.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:04 pm

Hell, even the QSR is fucked. Apparently, being under cover gives the attacker a +2 to +4 bonus for shooting at you. You'd think fifteen minutes of error-checking would catch that, but hey, that's Catalyst. (Presumably, that is not how it's supposed to work.)

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:16 pm

Page 65 :

"Trolls
receive Thermographic Vision, +1 Reach, and Dermal
Armor, but they also receive the disadvantage of having
to pay an additional fifty percent for gear because
everything—including cyberware and bioware—must
be specially modified to meet their massive physical
requirements."

15 minutes of error checking, indeed . .

with the price change in ware, this means a troll can't do anything anymore really . . trolls and magic are always a difficult combination and now they won't have enough money either . .

also, one would have notices that dorfs somehow lost their infradead eyes.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:22 pm

To be fair, I've yet to see anyone ever play a dwarf. (Except for me, because Dwarf Faces are too hilarious to pass up.)

I made him French with the handle of Sarko. Because lol.

sabs · Post by **sabs** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:27 pm

I play Dwarf Riggers and Hackers in Shadowrun all the time. It's one of my favorite races.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:28 pm

i would love to play dorfs . . but i am an ass, i can do 5 minutes of constant short jokes, little quips, minor ribbing and a small bit of very bad puns and plays on words . . and my buddies are exactly the same!
so it would be horrible for all involved.

Neurosis · Post by **Neurosis** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:03 pm

Dwarf is by far my favorite SR race as well, fuck all y'all hatas throwin shade on the little people.

Seriously, dwarfs are fucking badass.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:09 pm

I've never really understood the appeal. It's hard to think of them as underdogs or anything given that they're built like tanks and culturally they're not different enough to communicate anything.

Stahlseele · Post by **Stahlseele** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:23 pm

The Smiths of Legend. Miners and Builders of great architecture.
People who appreciate good food and drink and a good story and some music.
People who like to laugh. Brawling for Honor or for Brawlings sake.
Basically, they are people who have decided to tell the world to go fuck itself and have fun while exploring it.

The fact that they are both capable magicians and combat characters in shadowrun is just a nice addition to the top . . i never understood why they were always depicted as deckers and riggers . . why would you want to step out of a short but stout, incredibly strong and resilent body?
Aside from maybe the challenge of using your smarts and not your brawn for a change.

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:46 am

You get that what you just said is actually fucktarded in a setting where the dwarves are seriously just some regular dudes aside from the fact that everyone just initially assumed they had birth defects until it turned out that they were basically fine though, right?

Ancient History · Post by **Ancient History** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:49 am

heh. Somebody just posted a 5/5 review of SR5 on rpg.net. I so do hate that forum.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:18 am

My magpie instinct went off and I bought the thing. It's...pretty? Other than that, I can't really say I'd rather use that than Fourth. Shit like single attack option per action phase, priority build...The whole using marks to hack shit looks fucktarded to me, but I'd need to playtest it a bit.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:01 am

In SR3 under the point system it straight up cost less to be a Dwarf than the stat bonuses were worth and you got thermovision and poison resistance. From a pure powergaming stance, it was hard to not be a Dwarf in SR3. It was like being an Ork in SR4, but more so since there were no real drawbacks for any character type.

That being said, I know a number of women who play Dwarves almost exclusively. There is something about being small and tough that appeals to a segment of the population who are used to being underestimated.

-Username17

Whipstitch · Post by **Whipstitch** » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:48 am

Mechanically they were bad asses, yeah. My inability to process them as underdogs is probably just due to the way I routinely block out just exactly how short they really are. Whenever I visualize them it comes out more around 4 feet which is apparently way tall for a dwarf in SR land.