Pathfinder Is Still Bad

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:49 am

TOZ wrote:
OgreBattle wrote:I asked on the Paizo board and it's confirmed that the majority of society encounters have no way of defeating a swarm of bees
Most society encounters have no way of defeating casters, so that's hardly surprising.

Seriously, slumber hex destroys everything.

Do people complain about that though? Crane wing got nerfed because of complaints but full casters are still playable. I'm wondering how pathfinder society players don't all realize the full caster disparity

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:52 am

Oh, holy crap. I just looked at how the ability which makes me lose cantrips works exactly:

Spellslinger Archetype wrote:Magic Bullets (Su)
A spellslinger is adept at transferring spell energy into his arcane gun attacks. As a swift action, he can sacrifice a spell and transform that energy into a weapon bonus equal to the level of the spell sacrificed on a single barrel of his firearm. With that weapon bonus the spellslinger can apply any of the following to his arcane bond: enhancement bonuses (up to +5) and dancing, defending, distance, flaming, flaming burst, frost, ghost touch, icy burst, merciful, seeking, shock, shocking burst, spell storing, thundering, vicious, and wounding. An arcane gun gains no benefit from having two of the same weapon special abilities on the same barrel. The effect of the mage bullets ability lasts for a number of minutes equal to the level of the spell sacrificed, or until this ability is used again to assign the barrel different enhancements.

Holy shit. With Spellslinger you go from "fuck, I'm out of spells after one combat" at first level to "I can fire flaming/shocking/frost bullets all combat, fucker."

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:23 am

OgreBattle wrote:Do people complain about that though? Crane wing got nerfed because of complaints but full casters are still playable. I'm wondering how pathfinder society players don't all realize the full caster disparity

Some people do, but get told to shut the fuck up and deal with it because casters.

Then melee gets something halfway competent and drug into an alley and curbstomped for it before being banned.

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:34 am

Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination and Enchantment. You absolutely do not ditch Necromancy, because then you lose out on your Raygun of Enfeeblement, Exhaustion and eventually Enervation. Evocations is a hard sell vs. Conjurations, but the real gem is the spell Ricochet Shot: It allows you bounce bullets off of people and hit other people. Doing this with a plain bullet is an amusing pet trick and doing it with ray of sickening is a good opening volley, but doing it with scorching rays lets you pretend to be some sort of bullet hell end boss character.

With the magic bullets, you honestly don't want to use your spells to make fire bullets. That's weaksauce. What you want to do instead is sacrifice a 5th level spell and get +5 to the DC of all your Save or Dies that qualify for the rest of the combat.

Cyberzombie · Post by **Cyberzombie** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:08 am

Grek wrote:Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination and Enchantment. You absolutely do not ditch Necromancy, because then you lose out on your Raygun of Enfeeblement, Exhaustion and eventually Enervation.

Evervation never seemed a great deal as a PC to me especially in pathfinder, because it doesn't actually cost spellcasters any spell slots anymore. What makes enervation such a great spell in PF?

rasmuswagner · Post by **rasmuswagner** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:08 am

Prak_Anima wrote:I'm currently looking at playing a Gnome Wizard with the Spellslinger Archetype.

I'm saddened by the loss of Cantrips, but at the same time, I get to burn spells to turn bullets into shocking bullets, which is pretty cool.

I don't think the Spellslinger is kosher for Organized Play - I know that the gun archetypes for all the other classes are banned.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:15 am

Ok. I just looked it up.

Seriously. Fuck Organized Play. Literally every character concept I've conceived of for my friend's PFS game is illegal because OrgPlay.

So seriously. Fuck them.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:45 am

Yeah, I wasn't impressed with the banlist of Living _____ back in the day when 3.5 was the game people played. I can't imagine this being any better.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:52 am

God forbid a party be anything other than Greatsword fighter, Flanking Buddy Rogue, Blaster Wizard, and Healbot Cleric, huh?

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:02 am

Maxus wrote:God forbid a party be anything other than Greatsword Human or Orc Fighter, Flanking Buddy Halfling Rogue, Blaster Elf Wizard, and Healbot Aasimar Cleric, huh?

Fixed that for you.

ubernoob · Post by **ubernoob** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:03 am

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:05 am

ubernoob wrote:
Prak_Anima wrote:
Maxus wrote:God forbid a party be anything other than Greatsword Human or Orc Fighter, Flanking Buddy Halfling Rogue, Blaster Elf Wizard, and Healbot Aasimar Cleric, huh?
Fixed that for you.
LA on a cleric? wut

Not in PF. +2 Wis, +2 Cha, no level adjustment.

Of course that's because PF doesn't have Level Adjustment...

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:40 pm

Aasimar has the same stats and no LA in Tome, so I guess that's not going to shock the conscience or anything like that.

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:50 pm

Beng able to play an aasimar or tiefling without LA bullshit is one small bright spot at least.

Seerow · Post by **Seerow** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:52 pm

TOZ wrote:Beng able to play an aasimar or tiefling without LA bullshit is one small bright spot at least.

Wasn't this already possible in 3.5?

I'm pretty sure there was a "Lesser" version of all the planar races with the only real difference between them and the standard being that you were humanoid(planetouched) or something like that instead of Outsider(Native).

Avoraciopoctules · Post by **Avoraciopoctules** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:33 pm

Prak_Anima wrote:
ubernoob wrote:
Prak_Anima wrote:
Fixed that for you.
LA on a cleric? wut
Not in PF. +2 Wis, +2 Cha, no level adjustment.

Of course that's because PF doesn't have Level Adjustment...

Not entirely correct, there's at least one race (Drow Noble) where devs declared post-facto that anyone playing it should get docked a level. And the whole thing with monster PCs getting effectively negative level adjustment, which gets even better as everyone advances.

TOZ · Post by **TOZ** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:19 pm

Seerow wrote:Wasn't this already possible in 3.5?

I'm pretty sure there was a "Lesser" version of all the planar races with the only real difference between them and the standard being that you were humanoid(planetouched) or something like that instead of Outsider(Native).

Fuck if I remember. At least in PFS aasimar and tieflings are core.

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:20 pm

Seerow wrote:
TOZ wrote:Beng able to play an aasimar or tiefling without LA bullshit is one small bright spot at least.
Wasn't this already possible in 3.5?

I'm pretty sure there was a "Lesser" version of all the planar races with the only real difference between them and the standard being that you were humanoid(planetouched) or something like that instead of Outsider(Native).

It was something like that. You got one less LA, and in exchange you could be treated as an outsider or a humanoid whenever it would be detrimental.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:43 pm

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-f ... od-monster
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spell ... on-monster

Pathfinder keeps making summoning better and better. It's still no planar binding line, but some of the mid and higher-level shit that they've been creating is really damn good.

Yes, I would very much like to summon 1d3+1 celestial lions that individually did up to 1d8+4d4+30 damage a round as s fifth level spell -- assuming the use of the Supreme Summons line, of course. Summon up to six Young Bronze Dragons assuming the use of Supreme Summons + Greater Rod of Empowering for a single 8th level spell? You goddamn right that's what I want. After all, I'm very much into humiliating the Fighter and Barbarian who mistakenly thought that Pathfinder would be a safe haven for them.

codeGlaze · Post by **codeGlaze** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:46 pm

Prak_Anima wrote:Ok. I just looked it up.

Seriously. Fuck Organized Play. Literally every character concept I've conceived of for my friend's PFS game is illegal because OrgPlay.

So seriously. Fuck them.

What about a gunslinger toting a revolver?

Pretty sure I was going by the rules when I helped my friend make a character that would destroy level appropriate humanoids in ~1 round.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:37 pm

I'm reasonably certain I can't get a revolver as a first level PFS character

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:51 am

Maxus wrote:God forbid a party be anything other than Greatsword fighter, Flanking Buddy Rogue, Blaster Wizard, and Healbot Cleric, huh?

Like I said earlier, in my experience (playing maybe 25 sessions) I thought PFS PCs were more unusual on average than the PCs from a typical campaign. I saw very, very few rogues and very few fighters. I didn't think the wizards or clerics I saw were more blasty or healy than normal, either.

Part of that is due to the increased need to have a self-reliant PC (in terms of having access to healing, ranged attacks, skills, etc.) if you're playing in pick-up games. I definitely saw more bards, alchemists and oracles than fighters or rogues (although that will depend on region, of course).

MisterDee · Post by **MisterDee** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:18 am

I think advanced firearms aren't allowed in PFS.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:45 am

...You Lost Me wrote:It was something like that. You got one less LA, and in exchange you could be treated as an outsider or a humanoid whenever it would be detrimental.

You become Humanoid [Extraplanar], meaning Charm Person works on you and so does Banishment. Hilariously, it actually says your Level Adjustment becomes zero as opposed to "is reduced by one". So technically a Fey'ri with Enervation can take this option and still be a level one character.

Honestly, given their other perks and the fact that it's 1/day Enervation, that makes the whole deal "Pretty decent" and nothing more.

GâtFromKI · Post by **GâtFromKI** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:42 am

Lago PARANOIA wrote:http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-f ... od-monster

So your summoned creatures get the diehard feat, but they disappear anyway when reduced to 0 HP or lower... Another stupid feat designed by someone who has no idea how Pahfinder works, great.