[Politics] Abortion Failure Megathread

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:51 am

While, honestly, the US Navy site would be enough to clear up confusion for normal folks, there still seems to be some serious confusion here. I've taken the liberty of contacting the US Navy and a friend in the educational programs department at the museum in New Orleans to see if perhaps you guys are right.

With luck, we'll get an answer from an expert in a few days.

K · Post by K » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:29 am

Doom wrote:While, honestly, the US Navy site would be enough to clear up confusion for normal folks, there still seems to be some serious confusion here. I've taken the liberty of contacting the US Navy and a friend in the educational programs department at the museum in New Orleans to see if perhaps you guys are right.

With luck, we'll get an answer from an expert in a few days.

Well, Google Books has an answer.

According to Admiral Farragut, by Alfred Thayer Mahan, they had captured nine ships.

The entire length of his command was a single trip to port with the other eight ships before being returned to his ship. There were twelve seamen and a captain to act as his "adviser" in case the ship got separated from the group. His role as "prizemaster" seems to have been this single act.

Apparently, he was also only a midshipmen of the Captain's gig. So yeh, his rank related to the little dingy they dragged around to get to shore.

I think the truth has actually made me less impressed. The story seems to have been talked up because the "adviser" captain had yelled at him before the kid tattled to his superiors and got the guy yelled at in return.

There are also some rather cute stories of him falling asleep at watch because... you know... he was 12.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:43 am

so what does this have to do with abortion

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:44 am

Heck if I know, and I admit even if I got the Capt to give me something in writing better than "those armchair warrior pussies wouldn't last 10 minutes in that situation", it won't change a thing....so, yeah, go back to abortion, becuase lots was getting accomplished there.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:29 am

oh remember when certain persons were whining about how the wsj was a respected source of economic information? lololol

KaNT · Post by **KaNT** » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:31 pm

It's the hypocrisy of the issue that annoys me. If I kill a fetus via abortion, it's perfectly legal. If I kill it by shooting it's mother in the face 15 times, it's a double homicide. I just want the government to make up it's mind on the matter. Either it is a person, and abortion should be against the law, or it isn't and killing a pregnant woman should only be a single homicide.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:23 am

kant arrives on scene with a strong first post

Count Arioch the 28th · Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:33 am

Because gamers are an excellent source of political information.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:50 am

all nerds are a bunch of narcissistic, entitled, whining brats who think their allegedly superior intellect makes them an expert on the political process.

GUYS MY PALADIN HAS A +5 SWORD NOW HERE'S HOW WE FIX AMERICA

Count Arioch the 28th · Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:54 am

Indeed. I've known nerds who were at all areas of the political spectrum, and they all had really smart reasons as to why they thought stupid things.

I try to not think about it. I see politicians the same way that the ancient Europeans saw the gods: Childish, bickering deities that would gladly destroy the world to make a point that don't have the first thought about mortals and their trials.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:00 am

Dang, both Count and PR have sig-worthy quotes, a dead tie. Using WWF rules, I won't change it, then, but both good ones all the same.

Vnonymous · Post by **Vnonymous** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:13 am

Much like a certain comedy website, I consider myself pro death. Not only should you be able to get an abortion whenever you want, you should be able to get a legal abortion whenever you want - a father should be able to say "I do not want my genetic material used to create a child. If you do not have an abortion, I will contribute no financial or material support to the raising of this child, and it has no claims on me whatsoever."

And even then, I support this up until like age 3. You're not really conscious until you're 3 and a bit years old or something, and even then I don't care because it is highly likely that dolphins and fish and dogs are sapient, and I don't care if a salmon had to feel pain for me to eat it. Circumstances can change pretty readily, and its' perfectly fine for a child to be given up for adoption or whatever when the main breadwinner falls into a coma or starts requiring expensive medical treatments that prevent them from working.

Gx1080 · Post by **Gx1080** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:25 am

I'm pro-life because a)The arbitrary week number is bullshit and b)Is murder, and fuck you all I don't want to discuss it because it is.

I'm not going to pretend this to be anything else besides my own prejudices.

Vnonymous · Post by **Vnonymous** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:47 am

Gx1080 wrote:I'm pro-life because wah wah wah wah I'm a baby who doesn't like discussing complicatd issues, and it makes me feel bad to think that bad things happen to babies somewhere

quanta · Post by **quanta** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:30 am

I'm pro-life because I feel children don't reach their most tender stage until age 2. Lambs are more delicious than lamb fetuses.

Grek · Post by **Grek** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:41 am

Sigged.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:34 pm

Gx1080 wrote:I'm not going to pretend this to be anything else besides my own prejudices.

That's good, because:

Gx1080 wrote:I'm pro-life because a)The arbitrary week number is bullshit and b)Is murder, and fuck you all I don't want to discuss it because it is.

you claim A is arbitrary and then presuppose B based on that.

Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:26 am

me wrote:So. Serious question time.

Suppose that you as a pro-lifer totally got your way on this issue. No compromise, you get everything exactly the way you wanted it as far as the law is concerned. What should be the punishment for aborting a fetus? Should the punishment be increased the further along said fetus is in the pregnancy? What exceptions will you allow if any?

I demand to get a serious, non-waffling answer to this question someday. Just give me a goddamn fine amount or jail time or whatever. I have had no success with this on other boards or in real life getting a straight answer, but hope springs eternal.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:39 am

seven lashes for early term abortions, a dozen for late term abortions. abortions when the fetus has fully developed into a baby and will surely survive outside the womb carry the penalty of death on the count of murder

wotmaniac · Post by **wotmaniac** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:35 pm

at/beyond the point that "person-hood" is determined (whatever that may be), it's murder, and should be prosecuted accordingly.
as was pointed out earlier (twice), the guy who kills a pregnant woman gets hit with a double-murder. I need consistency in my laws.
Oh -- "but then you'll go back to back-alley coat-hanger abortions" ..... when a murder gets hurt/killed carrying out their murderous activity, I find it hard to feel bad for them.

Datawolf · Post by **Datawolf** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:32 pm

Grek wrote:Sigged.

Your sig is both awesome and highly disturbing. Just the way I like 'em.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:11 pm

wotmaniac wrote:at/beyond the point that "person-hood" is determined (whatever that may be), it's murder, and should be prosecuted accordingly.

Why? Deaths from medicine are obviously held to a different standard than other deaths. Lack of universal health coverage kills an American every twenty minutes, if a senator filibusters the healthcare debate for four hours, should we charge him for twelve murders?

-Username17

Gx1080 · Post by **Gx1080** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:50 pm

Because there's a difference between an honest mistake and murdering on purpouse?

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:53 pm

Because once you are born, you have to have money to keep deserving to live, and if you don't have money, then you should just go die in a gutter like you deserve.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:51 pm

Because once you are born, you have to have money to keep deserving to live, and if you don't have money, then you should just go die in a gutter like you deserve.