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[Kaelik]

Some leaked Fallout 4 information got out, so immediately a bunch of people started criticizing everyone who watches the videos as ruining the game because apparently the game would somehow be better if I didn't know what the higher level perks did. Yeah Bethesda, sure, my ignorance of basic game mechanics always makes the game better.

[name_here]

Been playing Tales Of Zestria; I'm right up to the part where they've explained why we'll be needing to collect Undine and co to save the world in this particular instance.

The game has been having a bit of fun with how half your party members are invisible to normals, though at this point in the story it's public knowledge that the PC can talk to magical invisible people and no one questions it when he does. Though the game does still do this thing where it shifts the camera into normal person mode and demonstrates how crazy it makes him look to everyone who can't see who he's talking to.

Gameplay wise, I do wish they'd completely redone the entire control scheme when they ported it to the PC. I don't really like doing movement direction based special attacks with WASD. I know that The Elder Scrolls does it, and non-coincidentally I never use half the special melee attacks in those games.

Oh, and as I'm currently learning Japanese I have opted to do Japanese voice with English subtitles. That's led me to discover that Lailah is way the hell more formal in the original than in translation.

[Koumei]

You should be able to just plug in a gamepad. Now yes, that is an extra cost, and it might have to fight with other devices for limited USB ports depending on a number of things, but I swear, for the majority of "Was first a console game" games, it's so important you may as well call it essential.

I grew pissed off with Akiba Strip/Akiba's Trip (hint: it's the former), but I would have done so a lot sooner had I not been using a gamepad. And as for all those other Weeaboo games I can't play because Linux, they all vary between "PS2-style controller is essential" and "I suppose you COULD use a keyboard but why?"

Even for games like Disgaea, where it'd be way better to use a mouse (with keyboard shortcuts), like with Baldur's Gate, NWN and so on, if someone ported them to PC then chances are the mouse support would be kind of iffy and I'd end up having to use the gamepad.

[Shrapnel]

Some leaked Fallout 4 information got out, so immediately a bunch of people started criticizing everyone who watches the videos as ruining the game because apparently the game would somehow be better if I didn't know what the higher level perks did. Yeah Bethesda, sure, my ignorance of basic game mechanics always makes the game better.

Do the leaks reveal any major plot spoilers, or just general game info?

[Kaelik]

Some leaked Fallout 4 information got out, so immediately a bunch of people started criticizing everyone who watches the videos as ruining the game because apparently the game would somehow be better if I didn't know what the higher level perks did. Yeah Bethesda, sure, my ignorance of basic game mechanics always makes the game better.

Do the leaks reveal any major plot spoilers, or just general game info?

Plot spoilers of the first 20 minute tutorial crap, but not even that, because the person playing it is really stupid and just sprints past everything.

spoilers for stuff that was already spoiled by bethesda to everyone who is not an idiot

You are a person who lived in boston before the bombs, bombs are dropped, you run to the vault. You have a spouse and a kid, you are cryo frozen, your spouse and kid are frozen together, when you wake up, they already woke up some non-zero number of years before. You run into some people and shoot them, and eventually get given some power armor and shoot people in that

spoilers that bethesda didn't already give

oh look, their are other characters in the conversation that bethesda didn't show in the trailers because their talking to multiple people at once scenes look way too much like might as well be prerendered cutscenes where you pick which of the four cutscenes you want to watch at the beginning of the conversation.

[Maxus]

Gameplay wise, I do wish they'd completely redone the entire control scheme when they ported it to the PC. I don't really like doing movement direction based special attacks with WASD. I know that The Elder Scrolls does it, and non-coincidentally I never use half the special melee attacks in those games.

That's gonna screw you up later. There's moves that are good against enemy types, and Sorey gets elemental riders to a lot of his basic attacks, and there WILL be times when you're gonna need those to start a combo on an enemy.

The worst was this undead thing that was resistant to all elements, so the only way I could do non-menial damage was moves good against the Undead. Which was the third hit the right combo.

[Aryxbez]

Some leaked Fallout 4 information got out, so immediately a bunch of people started criticizing everyone who watches the videos as ruining the game because apparently the game would somehow be better if I didn't know what the higher level perks did. Yeah Bethesda, sure, my ignorance of basic game mechanics always makes the game better.

I don't really understand idiots like that, they're the ONES watching the damn video!

I think I must've missed the leak that showed em having multiple conversations at once (though I heard something about that being a feature). Otherwise I've watched a bunch of Fallout 4 leaks as I can find them. In general, tried what I can to stay up to date on info, and thankfully no story spoilers I've really seen.

Oh and speaking of leaks, you think these are like "controlled leaks"? Seems very coincidental these all happen immediately close to the games release date. If this is common, then I guess its what I get for not paying attention to games near release dates usually (I rarely buy games new, this is an exception).

[name_here]

Leaks happen reasonably often. At this stage, the most likely source is from a reviewer; they get the game ahead of time so they can put out detailed reviews on release day.

[Kaelik]

Oh and speaking of leaks, you think these are like "controlled leaks"? Seems very coincidental these all happen immediately close to the games release date. If this is common, then I guess its what I get for not paying attention to games near release dates usually (I rarely buy games new, this is an exception).

At least one that I am watching is a random black person who constantly calls every character a bitch and plays the game really badly while running in straight lines towards a new objective. In summation, I doubt it.

More likely, amazon occasionally ships games earlier by accident, gamestops sometimes get them early and employees take them home, and Pete Hines seems genuinely upset by the leaks... for some reason.

[Aryxbez]

At least one that I am watching is a random black person who constantly calls every character a bitch and plays the game really badly while running in straight lines towards a new objective. In summation, I doubt it.

Pete Hines seems genuinely upset by the leaks... for some reason.

Oh god that guy, if I'm recalling right, some idiot who pulls out a minigun and dies to like scorpions immediately saying "this game is hard". I was pretty much done with that stupidity after that. I guess he posted more videos, which could be worth a look if it's not too unbearable.

As for Pete Hines, from his position, I suppose that's understandable? Big role of his job was to keep things under wraps for so long, only to have all these random leaks, so I can see that being frustrating. So I guess I don't blame him for keeping quiet, and its close to the release date enough you may as well stay "official" and quiet as possible.

[Stahlseele]

from what FO4 leaks you lot have seen, is there any truth to this?
Spoilered imaged

[Kaelik]

Basically, 100% true, but we've known that since Bethesda announced the game.

[Longes]

So, the long awaited expansion to Binding of Isaac, "Afterbith" came out, and community is currently experiencing a massive shit storm. 109 hours after the launch a patch brought half of the promised content into the game, which lead people to believe time gating is afoot. The proofs of the conspiracy are:
1. On the donation machine in the new Greed mode you can donate the maximum of 109 coins.
2. Allegedly, 109 hours is how much it took the dataminers/community to unlock the super tripple ultra secret character in Rebirth, which caused humonous ammounts of butthurt to the devs.

To make the matters worse, instead of being responsible adults and admitting, before the patch came out, that there's a bug and they are fixing it, Edmund and Tyron were making cryptic messages about secrets in the game and how not everything is unlocked yet.

[Kaelik]

So A) I'm kind of depressed that all the leak videos involve male characters who are married to the default female character, so no one has made any modifications to the female character.

B) Pete Hines isn't staying quiet though, is the thing, he is complaining about how sad he is that information leaked.

C) So people are complaining about how you don't have to repair weapons in Fallout 4, and while for the most part I definitely get upset about stripping out complexity every single new bethesda game, I think in this one case it isn't a problem. If you look at what repairs actually did in fallout 3 and new vegas they:

1) Made the early game have less caps, because you bolted all your weapons together.
2) Made a power skill, repair, to be leveled instead of other diversifying skills, also made that one perk super mandatory, the one that let you bolt any rifle with any other rifle ect. Basically extending the early game a bit longer.
3) Acted as a constant cap sink in the mid and late game.

But the game looks like it has all those covered, there are enough perks that I don't imagine anyone is going to be complaining about how they had perk points to blow on medicine and life giver too early without feeling the opportunity cost. And it looks like caps are not the be all and end of all of resources because of the crafting system, so salvaging things takes the place of repair for the purpose of preventing early caps.

And finally, it looks like the settlements and weapon crafting are pretty clearly way more of a sink than repair was ever going to be.

EDIT: on the list of people complaining about things that it makes no sense for them to complain about, I'm looking around to see if the console commands have been published anywhere online, I don't know if anyone has looked at the character level up in depth, but basically, after a certain point, you both can and have to level all your special stats to 10 to progress as a character, so when I've maxed out the perks I qualify for that I want, I'll probably just console command my stats up to get access to the new perks instead of grinding levels. But every console command thread for the game (and frankly, for every game ever) has some random people jump in and yell "WHY YOU CHEAT! RUINING GAME WITH GODMODE!"

[Kaelik]

Apparently people are complaining based on the leaked Fallout 4 stuff.

World is too small, conversations suck, whaaa repairs. But apparently the most common complaints are that it isn't pretty enough. BibleThump can we just fucking kill everyone who complains about graphics?

Also when people talk about the build planners they warn about "Perk Spoilers" so apparently Pete Hines isn't the only idiot who thinks knowing what the perks do before you make the decision about special attributes that determine what perks you can get is a "spoiler."

[Hadanelith]

So glad that people have spoiled the perks - I spent an hour going through them and planning a character build. Going in blind would have had me agonizing forever at character selection.
Now I just wanna know why the total available SPECIAL points are 28 instead of 40 like every previous game. It *seriously* limits your build options at chargen - to build a character capable of roughly doing what I want and having access to most of the perks I want, I had to accept Endurance and Luck 1. As it stands, I can waste a bunch of levels on just raising my stats (lame as fuck), or I can (and will) just use the console to raise myself to 40 points. Gotta love the dev console. I feel bad for actual console players.

[Blade]

I'm not much of a character planner. I like to just develop it as I see fit and be surprised with the perks I can get. But I don't mind having the information available for those who want to plan everything. As long as I don't HAVE TO plan my character to enjoy the game, I don't care.

[Kaelik]

So glad that people have spoiled the perks - I spent an hour going through them and planning a character build. Going in blind would have had me agonizing forever at character selection.
Now I just wanna know why the total available SPECIAL points are 28 instead of 40 like every previous game. It *seriously* limits your build options at chargen - to build a character capable of roughly doing what I want and having access to most of the perks I want, I had to accept Endurance and Luck 1. As it stands, I can waste a bunch of levels on just raising my stats (lame as fuck), or I can (and will) just use the console to raise myself to 40 points. Gotta love the dev console. I feel bad for actual console players.

Yeah, I know exactly what character I want to play, but nothing about that character tells me I need any points in perception without knowing the Perk Tree. Now I know I will be making a characters 3/8/3/3/3/7/1, and then from there I can level to level 25-40 before I even need to raise a special stat, and then will probably console command everything up to 10 at that point.

[Stahlseele]

So you are going for a Gunslinger of some kind i assume.

[Kaelik]

So you are going for a Gunslinger of some kind i assume.

Probably zero percent gunslinger. Perception tracks and is the pre-req for perks for the scoped long range aiming. Agility gives actions points and the perks that makes sneak attacks do more damage. Also stealth. So I will be wandering the wasteland with 3 different types of sniper rifle/long rifles and shooting people before they know I exist.

the three ranks in everything is because the 3 stat perks are the most generically good for someone not specializing in that. 3 Str is armor crafting, 3 endurance is because lifegiver 3 gives regen, Cha 3 gives lone wanderer, and companions usually just annoy me, and int 3 allows gun crafting. So for someone with the sole intent of making my own guns and armor while wandering the wasteland murdering people from afar, that is the operative starting stat array.

As far as I am concerned, companions are for defending settlements.

[Stahlseele]

Yeah, Gunslinger is all kinds of Guns for me. Including Sniper-Rifles.
High agility and Perception has always been the must have for GUNS.

Well, beginning Characters, yes.
But if you can get a Supermutant with a Gatling Laser and a Super Sledge or a Brotherhood of Steel Member wearing full Power-Armor with a Big Sniper-Rifle and a good Power-Fist, then they are very usefull for steamrolling most anything ^^

[Kaelik]

Yeah, Gunslinger is all kinds of Guns for me. Including Sniper-Rifles.
High agility and Perception has always been the must have for GUNS.

Uh... If gunslingers are all characters with guns, then there are only two kinds of characters in fallout, gunslingers and idiots.

But yes, gunslinger is a perk name that refers exclusively to non automatic pistols. And in fallout 4 (and fallout 3 and new vegas to a lesser extent) you can make a gun using character with 1 perception, if you are never going to use vats or scoped rifles, and hardly feel any negative effects.

Well, beginning Characters, yes.
But if you can get a Supermutant with a Gatling Laser and a Super Sledge or a Brotherhood of Steel Member wearing full Power-Armor with a Big Sniper-Rifle and a good Power-Fist, then they are very usefull for steamrolling most anything ^^

I'm not saying they are useless, I am saying they are annoying. They prevent me from playing the game I want to play, so they are going to be the local governor of my settlements while I run around murdering people.

[Stahlseele]

*nods*
first thing i will probably do:
kill the dog <.<

[name_here]

Uh... If gunslingers are all characters with guns, then there are only two kinds of characters in fallout, gunslingers and idiots.

Actually, melee and unarmed were pretty much the best options in New Vegas; no ammo worries meaning you could always attack and had more money for gear and very strong damage output. There's relatively few places where the terrain stops you from closing rapidly, though there is a nasty box canyon ambush along the road to Novac. The only real drawback is that Deathclaws will rip you in half because their attacks ignore armor.

The top guns do have higher DPS, but melee/unarmed perks are better. I'm pretty sure that knocking 15 points off enemy armor puts unarmed ahead in damage for most enemies who matter.

[Kaelik]

Actually, melee and unarmed were pretty much the best options in New Vegas; no ammo worries meaning you could always attack and had more money for gear and very strong damage output. There's relatively few places where the terrain stops you from closing rapidly, though there is a nasty box canyon ambush along the road to Novac. The only real drawback is that Deathclaws will rip you in half because their attacks ignore armor.

The top guns do have higher DPS, but melee/unarmed perks are better. I'm pretty sure that knocking 15 points off enemy armor puts unarmed ahead in damage for most enemies who matter.

Indeed, if you do ignore all the benefits of guns, such as range, ability to engage people on multiple sides, ability to kill enemies before they know you exist, close time, and the fact that the strongest toughest enemy in the game is melee monster that will eat your face that travels in packs, and you only do DPS calculations, you can probably get more damage.

Also, I have never once ran out of ammo, and past the very early game, the primary limiter is not caps, but actual good gear in stores, New Vegas has probably the best shops I have seen in a fallout game for buying high end gear, and even still it took no time at all for me to have Combat Armor Mark II and whatever guns I wanted, and I was just checking back every couple days to see what new mods they might have for me to buy with my fuck off pile of caps.

Also, you can just make Armor Piercing rounds, and those also pierce 15% of armor, and you can get higher armor pen too. If you use lazer weapons you can get really absurd armor pen and damage boosts at the cost of more energy cells, but who cares, because energy cells are cheap as free and you'll probably find more than you use.