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Depends what "acceptable" means to you. There's no way in hell you're getting a ribbon mic for that, but most applications don't require or benefit from ribbon mics.

If you just want to podcast or run a PA system, you should be able to get one easily.
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I don't know if this goes in annoying questions or annoying game questions, but I figure I'll err on the side of caution and post it here just in case MI-6 is reading this.

So I've just jumped on a supersonic Perseus cruise missile over Cardiff Bay and am ridding it like a giant flying surfboard. I'll probably stuff it into a bag of holding before it blows up and save it for later, but afterwards I'll have three days to kill before I can make the most dramatic entrance up at Whitehall, decapitate the Prime Minister, and hopefully take a dump in his skull on live television.

Any suggestions about what to do to kill time around London or Cardiff while being chased by an elite paramilitary assassination squad and trying not to prematurely attract the Doctor's attention?
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Pub crawl! If they find you at one move to another!
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Bag of Holding doesn't usually cause stasis. Heads up on that.
Vebyast wrote:Here's a fun target for Major Creation: hydrazine. One casting every six seconds at CL9 gives you a bit more than 40 liters per second, which is comparable to the flow rates of some small, but serious, rocket engines. Six items running at full blast through a well-engineered engine will put you, and something like 50 tons of cargo, into space. Alternatively, if you thrust sideways, you will briefly be a fireball screaming across the sky at mach 14 before you melt from atmospheric friction.
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fectin wrote:Bag of Holding doesn't usually cause stasis. Heads up on that.
Not a literal bag of holding, actually. Boobs of holding. The only draw backs are that they cann't hold natural objects, only manufactured and artificial ones, and their cub size increases in proportion to the objects stored. A 2-ton 5-meter long missile would be a around D cup, meaning that the character would need to buy a new bra again.

Also, she has techno-telepathy so she could just mentally command it to shut down, stasis isn't a problem.
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Vebyast wrote:Here's a fun target for Major Creation: hydrazine. One casting every six seconds at CL9 gives you a bit more than 40 liters per second, which is comparable to the flow rates of some small, but serious, rocket engines. Six items running at full blast through a well-engineered engine will put you, and something like 50 tons of cargo, into space. Alternatively, if you thrust sideways, you will briefly be a fireball screaming across the sky at mach 14 before you melt from atmospheric friction.
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fectin wrote:...
It's a Torchwood game.

Character is a man who was turned into a woman by an alien device while in Cardiff on a business trip. Had nowhere to go and so was recruited by Jack.

It's downright sane compared to some of the things that happened on that show.
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I was checking a few bits of After Sundown.

Is War Form lycanthrope-only, or if I play a Reborn or a Frankenstein and have both Celerity and Clout, can I go all Cu Chulainn or...Dunno what the Frankenstein equivalent would be.
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Anyone can take war form.
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Yeah, anyone can take War Form by meeting the prereqs. Note that Nezumi don't even necessarily have a war form (though Werewolves and Jaguar Warriors always do).

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As an aside, I usually prefer just taking another level of Beast Form as a Nezumi rather than going for War Form. That nets you two more forms, one which can be a bird and another for turning into an ape or a big fuckin' mastiff with 2 extra points of Strength. That's obviously way less power up front than a War Form, but it leaves you more points to spend on your Revive the Flesh and going all Cujo on people with your jaws pairs well with Abyss of the Body. That all makes it a decent option if you want to murder some poor Extra in broad daylight without skullfucking the Vow of Silence. Besides, if you really want to throw down with trolls in Mortal Kombat than you're better off picking a different splat anyway.
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I've got one for 3.Tome. I haven't run 3.5 in a while, so I'm a bit hazy on some of the details and I'm hoping someone can fill me in. One of the tome classes, Shadow Warrior, can form two claws that count as natural weapons as a class ability.

Couple of questions on that: the SRD says that natural weapons do not benefit from extra attacks due to a high BAB, does that carry over to Tome? And does the pair of claws count as two separate weapons for TWF, or are they counted as a single attack?
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Grek wrote:Anyone can take war form.
Yah, I was kind of taken with the notion of a Leviathan with War Form that made him look like a beefy Sahuagin. Also with a Revenant/Wendigo who would War Form into Bigfoot.
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vagrant wrote:Couple of questions on that: the SRD says that natural weapons do not benefit from extra attacks due to a high BAB, does that carry over to Tome?
Yes, on the grounds that "it can get out of hand very quickly when fighting against a Kraken or when a player grabs a handful of extra natural weapons". The Monk's Slam is called out as specifically being an exception.
And does the pair of claws count as two separate weapons for TWF, or are they counted as a single attack?
There are two claw attacks, so they're separate weapons.
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Does that exception apply to Shadow Warriors as well? I'm assuming it does, since I don't see a reason why it wouldn't, but I could be missing something.
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If it doesn't say they specifically do get 8 Claws and 8 Tentacles at +16 BAB, then no, they don't. Shadow Warriors actually get more natural weapons as they gain levels by dint of actually growing more basic natural weapons.

Now, if you handwave Multiattack to work "just like Two Weapon Fighting, but with more natural weapons", then you can still move and attack once with each (because "Each time you attack with your main weapon, you can also attack with your off-hand weaponattack with all of the others"), but the idea is that you're growing extra attacks with levels instead of having one weapon that gets used for multiple attacks at a time.

I'll leave it to you to decide whether that's fine or if the Shadow Warrior is underpowered and needs to make more attacks, and your group can just choose to make that change - CeilingCat won't leap upon you from the rafters and murder you.
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vagrant wrote:Does that exception apply to Shadow Warriors as well? I'm assuming it does, since I don't see a reason why it wouldn't, but I could be missing something.
You are monstrously idiotic.

No, the exception does not apply to the Shadow Warrior. The Reason it does not apply is because the exception is called out in the Monk entry, and not in the Shadow Warrior entry. Rules do not apply where they do not exist.

The further reason it does not apply is because the Shadow Warrior is not a shitty self insert class like everything JE made, so it is relatively balanced. A creature that does negative levels and con damage on each attack does not get 6 attacks at level 6.

Please read the level 6 abilities of the Shadow Warrior and explain to me in detail why you are obviously wrong in your desire to give the Shadow Warrior attacks from BAB.
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Thanks for the answer, Koumei. Also, the swashbuckler in the party is having a hoot with the class. (Jokes and all.)
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Whipstitch wrote:As an aside, I usually prefer just taking another level of Beast Form as a Nezumi rather than going for War Form. That nets you two more forms, one which can be a bird and another for turning into an ape or a big fuckin' mastiff with 2 extra points of Strength. That's obviously way less power up front than a War Form, but it leaves you more points to spend on your Revive the Flesh and going all Cujo on people with your jaws pairs well with Abyss of the Body. That all makes it a decent option if you want to murder some poor Extra in broad daylight without skullfucking the Vow of Silence. Besides, if you really want to throw down with trolls in Mortal Kombat than you're better off picking a different splat anyway.
Not a bad idea.
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The only downside that I'd say to that Maxus is that the base damage on the straight razor is pretty low, 2 (knife).

However, strength will beef it up; as will excess hits.

The handy thing is that you don't need to deal a lot of damage in order to incapacitate enemies.

Once you can consistently and reliably deal 4 wounds to almost any target; they will keel over, unconscious. Then you can let them bleed out, or finish them off.

AS's universality as a character re-imaginer is a very compelling reason to use it for me. I've yet to find a creature or character from fiction that AS can't create more seamlessly than any other engine I've seen.

Ironically, After Sundown may be a more generic and universal game engine than GURPS ever could be; while Frank has flat out claimed otherwise. Of couse, AS wouldn't be like this if Frank wasn't able to be that self-critical in the first place.

By contrast to your example of a hyper-accurate fighter, the Berserker (werewolf) in the group I'm refereeing/narrating for went for the "lots of raw Strength" route. They picked up Giant Size, and Clinging; and stacks up their animal form (wolf +1 str); giant size, and war form to achieve something like 20 damage; and their 5m (at the shouldes) wolf straight up bites enemies. In half. The player pretty much lives for the few combats that happen in my sessions.

Which leads to my question; I have a player who pretty much built a combat engine. What are "sort of like combat" situations that could occur, that might not necessarily be combats?

I was thinking like disasters/obstacles where their strength can help fix/move the environment, but I'd appreciate suggestions.
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If I wanted to play a paladin whose code of conduct was based on actual educated philosophers' discussions of good and evil, as opposed to game designers who have at best taken a "Philosophy 101" in college for general ed, or "Big guy says it's evil, so I kills it," what are some good texts or philosophers to read?
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Kant is a total bitch to read, but he's a pretty central figure in the growth of modern morality. As I recall, he totally tried to institute an absolute morality without explicitly relying on divinely-inspired doctrine. Which is kind of neat. He's rather advanced for a pseudo-medieval fantasy setting, though.

In my experience, most actual medieval philosophers read as batshit insane because they were trying to reconcile Plato, Aristotle, and Christianity. But I'm sure that's a massive generalization.

Nietzsche is actually fun to read (because he is batshit insane), but I can't see his teachings as being relevant to any paladin's code that at least vaguely resembles the default one. And he's kind of overused in modern life.

(All this is said as someone who went beyond Phil 101 but not significantly further, so listen to it as much as you feel like.)
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I'll look into Kant. I like the idea of a paladin who eschews gods and just represents goodness, protecting people regardless of their nature, opposing the predations of evil, etc.
Another question. A friend of mine is watching Digimon, which got me watching it, and then considering a Digimon Tabletop Game. D&D, Mutants and Masterminds, and GURPS would all be usable, but I'm also considering After Sundown. A lot of AS things are present in Digimon--another world, supernatural monsters with a basic three way split, extras/luminaries... I'm thinking of something like Digidestined spend Edge/Potency/Power Points or something to make their partners digivolve, while digimon spend power points on attacks and have a feeding power schedule.
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I'd say when talking about Kant (and other philosophers) the word you're actually looking for is ethics not morality or morals.

Ethics is the meta and morals the practice. That's why you can behave unethical but not amoral. In simple terms that's because there are no humans who don't have morals, but there are humans who don't give a shit.

In DnD terms baatezu and tanar'ri have morals; in fact that's the entire point of the blood war. Paladins have morals, too, but they're not necessarily ethical; they just happen to have virtues which are. If you look at the other end of the spectrum, blackguards just happen to have virtues which aren't, but they sure as heck have morals.

[edit] As an example, a samurai does everything to protect his lord because loyalty. He will do it even if his lord ate the babies of his lord's attacker. This isn't ethical, but loyalty is moral.
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