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clikml at [unixtime wrote:1175100019[/unixtime]]Damn, I'm not terribly impressed with either fighter.

They fail to do anything spectacular. No outstanding damage, no ability to tank, no ranged schtick, no significant battlefield control, and those status effect abilities are pretty crummy- I'd prefer the abilities that let you daze enemies at the very least.

Judging__Eagle at [unixtime wrote:1175100981[/unixtime]]I love how Argaud keeps thinking that losing 6 HD will somehow give you skill checks as good as a 12th lvl anything.

bitnine at [br wrote:Step 4: (optional) For added effect, have a mocking note in your pocket that you can unfold and hand over.

bitnine at [unixtime wrote:1175121864[/unixtime]]

Judging__Eagle at [unixtime wrote:1175100981[/unixtime]]I love how Argaud keeps thinking that losing 6 HD will somehow give you skill checks as good as a 12th lvl anything.

But suggestion is just OMGWTFBBQPWN! You can be the hot sexor and totally frigging rule over all sorts of encounters and have legions of thralls and break the game into tiny little pieces!

"Um... Isn't there a beguiler or ten who could spam suggestion 20 or so times a day more than a couple of levels earlier? I mean, they don't load up on 20+ suggestions because that's sorta unnecessary and dumb, but they get the gravy flowing to the point where it's most beneficial."

But don't you see? You can suggest that a person dances naked in front of you for your amusement and then suggest that lava is actually a good exfoliant and also they give you a sandwich! That means the succubus totally owns and is worth the LA!

Yeah... I'll go ahead and say it. If your characters make a succubus look imminently playable, you should probably go ahead and reroll your toon. IRL. You do have my sympathies, though.

And... If I recall correctly, Argaud was the one who brought up a mage slaying fighter build that supposedly locked down casters and made them weak as kittens if the fighter got into range. I'm pretty sure I brought up the major failing of AoO-based builds to overcome simple use of cover like 10 times or so. I am uncertain that he ever understood that it was more than some sort of edge case or technicality.

Seriously. AoOs locking you down?

Step 0: You should have a shrink'd item and/or a throwaway summon and/or an ally or what the crap ever. If you don't, perhaps consider consulting a mental health expert about masochistic tendencies, 'cause the rest is very much your choice.
Step 1: Get soft cover. Delay for an ally, step behind something, or use step 0.
Step 2: Make melee irrelevant. Teleport away, use a barrier, phase, some use of range/obstacles/control, whatever floats your boat.
Step 3: Remind the AoO user that attacks of opportunity cannot be made through cover. Help him to look it up. Feel free to either be sympathetic or to act like you're a genius for finding a novel use for a bag of tricks and dimension door. Be prepared for a counter lecture on how you were "lucky" that you had some sort of cover "this time."
Step 4: (optional) For added effect, have a mocking note in your pocket that you can unfold and hand over.

Thems is a funny lot wrote:
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Originally Posted by Pyke_Moonshadow
"I still don't see any problem with LA either. I am going to pick 4 monster types (one being the succubus since she is so contended here) and run them through a published adventure tonight just to see how they play out."

They play out fine. I'm in a campaign with a Drow Psion, Half-Celestial Human Psychic Rogue, and a Succubus Aristocrat and it's working out marvellously.

The other characters are a Human Spirit Shaman, Half-Orc Barbarian/Ranger and a Gold Dwarf Divine Bard/Fighter/Battlesmith/Deepwarden/Dwarf Paragon/Hammer of Moradin.

The whole party is ECL 13.

bitnine at [unixtime wrote:1175121864[/unixtime]]
And... If I recall correctly, Argaud was the one who brought up a mage slaying fighter build that supposedly locked down casters and made them weak as kittens if the fighter got into range. I'm pretty sure I brought up the major failing of AoO-based builds to overcome simple use of cover like 10 times or so. I am uncertain that he ever understood that it was more than some sort of edge case or technicality.

Iaimeki at [unixtime wrote:1175194772[/unixtime]]
The exotic weaponmaster's exotic reach ability counters this tactic, which is why I consider it a necessity for any decent AoO-based tactical build. Of course, that doesn't help fighter 20 any.

[URL=http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113009&page=3 wrote:enter[/URL]]I know you meant well Elizabeth by making the poll but unfortunately you just ended up proving what dumbbells the majority of gamers are. They want a fucking toy.

The figurine (which seems to be winning) is completely useless and once again proves not to ask these kinds of questions from the general gaming population, they just don't know whats good for them.

First of the bat, atleast two of the poll choices are completely useless: "Upgraded packaging" and "Big Daddy figurine" they might seem like cool little addons but the novelty's gonna wear out fast and your gonna end up with a toy and a package thats only job is to stick out, nothing else. Now "Art print with team's signatures" could be just as well a group photo in the last pages of the Art Book or a dev crew bio introdiction on the Making of DVD similarly to how Thief and System Shock 2 did it. Poster is similarly just eye candy and offers no real substance. As for the Soundtrack, well you can only really comment on that after you've finished the game but after you've finished the game you've already heard the damn thing and there will probably be a way to rip the ambient tracks from the game files in the future.

In the end there's only 2 real choices to be left with and they should both come with the CE.

It won't be a true Collectors Edition and won't be getting my money if it doesn't come with the Artbook and the "Making of" DVD. What the fuck does a plastic figurine give us that Ken Levine's and the rest of the teams insights couldn't best tenfold?

The whole point of making a Collector's Edition is to give the buyer extra value that the normal box doesn't have. Now Bioshock as a game is trying the push the envelope on gameplay experience and by denying the player of greater understanding of what the creative process behind the game was, your ultimately going to do them a disservice to grow and look beyond all this marketing bs that sell the supposedly "good" games and shoot yourself in the foot.

I hope that you realize what needs to done here what ever the poll results are in the end.

Aggrenox wrote:This is a highly debated fact. I for one have never allowed druids.
Ever. They need to protect their groves. They have no need of dungeons or cities. ( I have had this outlook since 2nd Ed.)

Aggrenox wrote:
ToB is for little girls who can't play a fighter and need "Limit Breaks" in DND

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I am entitled to my opinion. That book is a blight to gamers everywhere. And any threads encouraging it is like saying that it is ok to rape dungeons and dragons.

Cielingcat at [unixtime wrote:1175651329[/unixtime]]I don't think Druids are actually required to have a grove anymore.