Things that make you lose faith in the human race...

violence in the media · Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:16 pm

Related to this whole discussion, here's an anecdotal article about the dangers that dipshit anti-vaccination parents inflict on others.

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:33 pm

Crissa wrote:Yeah, why must you have your own kids to have an opinion or experience in raising children?

Because “theory” sucks! Moreover, unless we have people on this forum with degrees in child psychology who are actually working “in the field” of the real world, I would humbly suggest that the “school of hard knocks” is still better than “no fucking school whatsoever.” For better or worse 24/7 immersion in any subject makes one more knowledgeable than one who has had no experience whatsoever with the subject. It still may not be the best knowledge, but at least it has some god damned basis in real world facts.

Please note I’m not saying you have to physically give birth to babies but you have to have them around you 24/7 or else you are a fucking arm chair quarterback who should generally shut up. I know the Den is famous for the socialist mono-minds who want to totally control every person’s lives to be in perfect harmony for what they think (in theory) the correct way for all people to live is but as I pointed out above, theory sucks!

Count Arioch the 28th · Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:59 pm

Theory is of ultimate importance. Me not getting hit by a meteor and dying in the next 5 minutes is a theory. The fact that I assume that the sausage biscuit I ate for breakfast wasn't spiked with dropbear anus is a theory.

And Maj's idea that feeding steak to her baby is fine is a theory. (And I bad one at that, I gave her way too much leeway in the past due to the fact her mother was a nutritionist. I didn't actually know what it meant until yesterday, I didn't realize it was roughly equivalent to a phrenologist or a chiropractor as far as an actual medical title.)

It's a theory that any kid someone raises won't just snap for no obvious reason and run amok with a meat cleaver. Dismissing stuff as "just a theory" is a slightly more verbose way of saying "I'm dangerously retarded".

Count Arioch the 28th · Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:02 pm

violence in the media wrote:Related to this whole discussion, here's an anecdotal article about the dangers that dipshit anti-vaccination parents inflict on others.

True story. I briefly dated a chiropractor recently. Said relationship pretty much ended before it got going because she spouted anti-vaccination crap on my myspace page. It seems that it's very hard to convince people that evolution doesn't happen because you want it to (i.e., a disease can't just become immune to a vaccination because it encounters it any more than I can make my kids sprout wings by wanting them to fly enough), and that someone who has learned to twist someone's spine so hard that it cures the clap is an authority on prokaryotic evolution. I'm not expert myself, but I know the basics.

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:55 pm

Count_Arioch_the_28th wrote:Dismissing stuff as "just a theory" is a slightly more verbose way of saying "I'm dangerously retarded".

I think I'm going to have to sig that.

Count Arioch the 28th · Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:09 pm

Keep in mind that there are in fact bad theories. However, being a theory doesn't automatically disqualify it just because it's a theory.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:12 pm

violence in the media wrote:Related to this whole discussion, here's an anecdotal article about the dangers that dipshit anti-vaccination parents inflict on others.

Of course, it's entirely possible that the immunological adjuvants common to vaccines may have contributed to that child's autoimmune disorder to begin with. Oops!

http://preview.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12892730

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:32 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:Wow Sock Puppet, if I beat the shit out of you, would there be anything left at all?

-Username17

Does this forum have signatures, and can I use this for mine if I figure out how?

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:08 pm

tzor wrote:
Crissa wrote:Yeah, why must you have your own kids to have an opinion or experience in raising children?
Because “theory” sucks! Moreover, unless we have people on this forum with degrees in child psychology who are actually working “in the field” of the real world, I would humbly suggest that the “school of hard knocks” is still better than “no fucking school whatsoever.” For better or worse 24/7 immersion in any subject makes one more knowledgeable than one who has had no experience whatsoever with the subject. It still may not be the best knowledge, but at least it has some god damned basis in real world facts.

Please note I’m not saying you have to physically give birth to babies but you have to have them around you 24/7 or else you are a fucking arm chair quarterback who should generally shut up. I know the Den is famous for the socialist mono-minds who want to totally control every person’s lives to be in perfect harmony for what they think (in theory) the correct way for all people to live is but as I pointed out above, theory sucks!

Tzor, I know you are retarded and spend all your time bitching about evil liberals instead of actually thinking with your brain.

But for once, try to actually pay attention.

The armchair quaterbacks have so far said "Hey, maybe beating your kid with a metal rod till you break bones is a bad idea."

This is seriously the same level as "Maybe the quarterback should not intentionally run to the back of the endzone and put the ball down so that the other team can come pick it up and score."

The only reason we have to say this at all is because the NFL of politics and media is filled with quarterbacks who think the goal is to score as few points as possible, because they are fucking retarded.

Like you, since you have to go out of your damn way to defend boy fucking and child beating.

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:14 pm

shadzar wrote:Does this forum have signatures, ...

Menu at the far top of the page, (Under "The Gaming Den" - Profile - at the end of the second (Profile Information) block. You can't miss it.

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:29 pm

tzor wrote:
shadzar wrote:Does this forum have signatures, ...
Menu at the far top of the page, (Under "The Gaming Den" - Profile - at the end of the second (Profile Information) block. You can't miss it.

I did, on several occasions. But then agian for al the phpBB system I have set up, I reworked the menus and things to a more intuitive format. I don't mind the default silver style so much, but some of the other crap just has to be changed, and unlike vBulletin, you CAN change open source like phpBB.

Thanks, I will wait for Frank's permission to add it.

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:53 pm

PhoneLobster wrote:It is your plan to ignore the advice of medical practitioners in matters that can seriously and permanently impact the health of your children that IS abusive.

...

Aw... you want to indoctrinate your child into your crazy harmful cult do you?

Your illusions about what it is I actually believe is leading you to tilt at windmills.

Crissa wrote:Yeah, why must you have your own kids to have an opinion or experience in raising children?

I don't particularly like that notion, but I have to admit, the world is a lot different when you're a parent. I used to absolutely hate it when my mom said things like, "You'll understand better when you have a kid." I mean, I was the second parent when it came to my two siblings. I still hate that attitude, but I see exactly where she was coming from now that I have had a kid.

VitM wrote:@Maj--Since you've described yourself in the past as somewhat of an outsider to the Mormon community in your area, the cynical part of me wonders if part of your experience is related to the harrassment effect that outsiders experience in those communities?

I spent a few years in the church when I was growing up, but when my step-dad died (lung-cancer) the inbred gossip centre that was the church where I used to live went nuts. There were ladies informing my mother that she was evil - in her living room. Someone spread rumors that she was seducing the male missionaries (in front of her three kids, no less) - which resulted in them getting banned from the area for a while. The ward clerk kept reporting to her that she wasn't paying enough in tithing - what you pay sort of changes when the breadwinner dies. It was a mess.

I went back to church here because I met some really good people. The "problem" is that I have a lot of foreign friends, and I studied comparative religion in college, and so I have a really hard time just swallowing what I'm fed. That and I'm constantly making comparisons to other religions - which I have to be careful about (The Qur'anic meaning of jihad is similar to the Mormon idea of "enduring to the end," and making comparisons like that in a place that's more on the Right than Left is just not done.

). My friends are good people. I like to hang out with them. The kids are good kids, and I like my son to get out in a controlled environment. Everyone knows I'm weird, and that's OK. I made my bed in that regard. And really, as much as I enjoy going to church, the thought of being like the fully indoctrinated scares the hell out of me - which is exactly why I don't want my son growing up in the church. The thought of macaroni necklaces in sunday school, accompanied by songs like "We Thank Thee, O God, For a Prophet" chills me to the bone. I'd way rather hear him singing P!nk's Funhouse (currently one of his favorite songs).

And just a note on my son's favorite food: I found it interesting that my doctor would always tell me that I could check my son's diapers to see what sort of things were passing through his system and what weren't. So I did, and oddly enough, it was the meat and cheese that never came through recognizable. If they hadn't been digested, I would have been the first person to stop feeding them to him, but he was more likely to digest a ground up piece of my steak or a piece of liverwurst than mushed blueberries and zucchini. And since my doctor doesn't change my son's diapers, she wouldn't know what my son was or wasn't actually capable of digesting, but I am. Regardless, the woman in question wasn't actually my doctor (who thought it was great that my son liked and ate liverwurst and steak) but a consultant we had to see because my son wasn't gaining weight like he was supposed to. Turns out, I wasn't abusing him by starving him, either. He just crawled a lot (his weight gain slowed down when he started crawling, and picked back up when he started walking).

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:03 pm

shadzar wrote:
tzor wrote:
shadzar wrote:Does this forum have signatures, ...
Menu at the far top of the page, (Under "The Gaming Den" - Profile - at the end of the second (Profile Information) block. You can't miss it.
I did, on several occasions. But then agian for al the phpBB system I have set up, I reworked the menus and things to a more intuitive format. I don't mind the default silver style so much, but some of the other crap just has to be changed, and unlike vBulletin, you CAN change open source like phpBB.

Thanks, I will wait for Frank's permission to add it.

All of my material is public domain and can be used with or without attribution by anyone at any time.

-Username17

RobbyPants · Post by **RobbyPants** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:19 pm

Count_Arioch_the_28th wrote:Keep in mind that there are in fact bad theories. However, being a theory doesn't automatically disqualify it just because it's a theory.

Oh I know. It's just to assume they're all bad because they're theories is dumb...

...and that's why the quote was made of win.

Sock Puppet · Post by **Sock Puppet** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:19 pm

shadzar wrote:Does this forum have signatures, and can I use this for mine if I figure out how?

Yeah, that had me cracking up all day, too. As a matter of fact, I was thinking of putting that in my sig, but go right ahead Shad. You post a lot more than me anyway.

Just make sure that you attribute it properly:

"Wow... if I beat the shit out of you, would there be anything left at all?"
-Username17 Trollman, Internet Toughguy

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:27 pm

I did, I quoted it exactly as shown, which is the correct way to quote something unless asked by the author to include a specific title to their name.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:47 am

Sock Puppet wrote: -Username17 Trollman, Internet Toughguy

...I think I have only twice seen Frank joke about using violence on another poster. This time was a hypothetical, designed just to say "You're so full of shit that the bag is made of shit". The other time, "If you're not joking about the spellcasting I will kill your family" was a joke (designed to show how bad the idea was) that one person (not even the target) felt could be seen as a serious threat.

I don't think that qualifies as Internet Tough Guy.

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:47 am

Seeing as Frank is the only one on this board I can verify actually makes hypothetical and ridiculous threats in real life, that hardly makes him an internet tough guy, but rather, kinda a real one.

Personally, I don't think it adds much, but when people are full of shit...

-Crissa

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:45 pm

Koumei wrote:...I think I have only twice seen Frank joke about using violence on another poster.

You know I admit I’m an old fart (48 you know) and medium term memory is not always reliable, but wasn’t it true that in another time and in another place, Frank was known for his golden shovel which he used to not only dispose of idiots on the web but also burry them in his backyard?

(Or am I thinking of another infamous WOTC banned from poster?)

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:50 pm

tzor wrote:
Koumei wrote:...I think I have only twice seen Frank joke about using violence on another poster.
You know I admit I’m an old fart (48 you know) and medium term memory is not always reliable, but wasn’t it true that in another time and in another place, Frank was known for his golden shovel which he used to not only dispose of idiots on the web but also burry them in his backyard?

(Or am I thinking of another infamous WOTC banned from poster?)

You are thinking of Arty. He eventually got so into his graphic threats that I left Nifty and never went back.

-Username17

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:09 pm

And that was before my time, anyway.

tzor · Post by **tzor** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:50 pm

FrankTrollman wrote:You are thinking of Arty. He eventually got so into his graphic threats that I left Nifty and never went back.

-Username17

That's right, it was Arty, aka Arturick. Never was good at remembering names.

Sock Puppet · Post by **Sock Puppet** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:55 am

Koumei wrote:...I think I have only twice seen Frank joke about using violence on another poster... I don't think that qualifies as Internet Tough Guy.

Just a joke, folks. Just a joke. You know, the yellow part of an egg? What comes out of the end of your cigarette? What you can find a pig in?

So, as to y'all taking me more seriously than I take myself... uh, thanks? Not really sure what's an appropriate reaction to that.

shadzar · Post by **shadzar** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:53 am

With a name like Sock Puppet, you could consider it a compliment people were even talking to you or giving you the benefit of the doubt of NOT being an automatic troll?

Sock Puppet · Post by **Sock Puppet** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:48 am

That would be true, if only it were true. Most people DO assume I'm a troll. I merely protest my innocence, cite my cracked sense of humor, and somehow find the strength to go on living.

*furrows brow* Did you just compliment me? I can't even tell anymore. If so, cheers!