Torture is a loaded example, it's easily derailed, as can be seen here. I agree with Korgan0 that we should be looking at a hypothetical "evil" act used to a theoretically good end, within the context of TTRPGs and fiction.
Take Ender's Game, for example, where the government tricks Ender into launching a genocidal WMD, which he thinks is only a meaningless simulation, to win a war that they apparently have no other way of knowing.
So, was the government justified in using said WMD in order to prevent their own destruction? Assuming they were, were they justified in tricking Ender into doing it, to try and "protect" him from how hard that decision would apparently be?
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Lago, are you actually trying to use "the Den does it" as evidence that it will effectively persuade people to change their minds? No one else here is trying to socially engineer anything, so when they get self-righteous in MPSIMS, that's just because that's what humans do when arguing a point, particularly on a forum whose autistic population is not even close to the most contentious group.
You can talk about an understanding of nuance all you want, fact is, every time a specific project has come up, you've been vitriolically opposed to showing the downsides of transhumanism, Keynesianism, or any other political -ism. You've demonstrated a commitment to peddling the "drug dealers are sent by Satan himself to claim your soul" version of these issues, which is why the people who are opposed to your viewpoints don't care and the people who agree wish you would stop, and just saying you want to do something subtle and nuanced without actually demonstrating a recognition that Austrian economists and anti-transhumanists (or whatever) are not mentally defective isn't enough to convince anyone in light of your track record.
You can talk about an understanding of nuance all you want, fact is, every time a specific project has come up, you've been vitriolically opposed to showing the downsides of transhumanism, Keynesianism, or any other political -ism. You've demonstrated a commitment to peddling the "drug dealers are sent by Satan himself to claim your soul" version of these issues, which is why the people who are opposed to your viewpoints don't care and the people who agree wish you would stop, and just saying you want to do something subtle and nuanced without actually demonstrating a recognition that Austrian economists and anti-transhumanists (or whatever) are not mentally defective isn't enough to convince anyone in light of your track record.