Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:16 am
No, I'm serious, I have literally never seen anyone play a game of Vampire without LARPing.
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While that wasn't the biggest debacle in aggregate, I think that pretty easily wins the crown for 'fastest implosion of a non-joke brand'. Granted, that bomb was pretty much guaranteed to go off sooner or later -- I'm just surprised at just how quickly Exalted's perception among the hoi polloi went from 'weird anime anti-D&D RPG' to 'rape ghost game'.fectin wrote:Don't forget Exalted 3E's rape ghosts. That was an impressive detonation of an otherwise fairly successful brand.
Yeah, that one.name_here wrote:Do you mean the international copyright law incompatibility clusterfuck resulting in the Unseen, or is this something else?
White Wolf's LARP system is/was The Mind's Eye Theater system, it is superficially like the Storyteller system, but it uses Rock/Paper/Scissors (And occasionally Rock/Paper/Scissors/Bomb, Bomb beats rock and paper, but it beaten by Scissors) and a trait bid system to resolve conflicts, as stated elsewhere in the thread. I have it on good authority that one of the reasons they settled on a system that is both clunky and silly was to encourage people to rely on it as little as possible and rely on roleplay instead.Surgo wrote:Wasn't this sort of what they tried to do with One World By Night? Of course, that was basically the most terrible idea ever and an epic failure in every way imaginable, but I think that's sort of the idea they had going anyway.shadzar wrote:imagine if they took the TT and then designed this con system where in the early days of the net you could track your character across all the players of WW games and follow a giant over arching story
whats this about?Lago PARANOIA wrote:While that wasn't the biggest debacle in aggregate, I think that pretty easily wins the crown for 'fastest implosion of a non-joke brand'. Granted, that bomb was pretty much guaranteed to go off sooner or later -- I'm just surprised at just how quickly Exalted's perception among the hoi polloi went from 'weird anime anti-D&D RPG' to 'rape ghost game'.fectin wrote:Don't forget Exalted 3E's rape ghosts. That was an impressive detonation of an otherwise fairly successful brand.
Apparently, I must have glossed over that originally.Prak_Anima wrote:Link from earlier in the thread
FrankTrollman wrote:You Asked. [pdf, NSFW, Not Acceptable Anywhere]Maxus wrote:What the hell is RaHoWa?
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Okay, at what point do you stop calling it a game, and actually start calling it a manifesto/call-to-arms that just so happens to be cloaked as a game (presumably to allow for greater circulation)?FrankTrollman wrote:[...informative info dump on RaHoWa ...]
By the end of the first paragraph.wotmaniac wrote: Okay, at what point do you stop calling it a game, and actually start calling it a manifesto/call-to-arms that just so happens to be cloaked as a game (presumably to allow for greater circulation)?
Just sayin'.
One World by Night had fucking Lasombra vampires with lightsabers. 4 Aggravated traits of damage. Which I believe was instant ash in the original health system.Desdan_Mervolam wrote:White Wolf's LARP system is/was The Mind's Eye Theater system, it is superficially like the Storyteller system, but it uses Rock/Paper/Scissors (And occasionally Rock/Paper/Scissors/Bomb, Bomb beats rock and paper, but it beaten by Scissors) and a trait bid system to resolve conflicts, as stated elsewhere in the thread. I have it on good authority that one of the reasons they settled on a system that is both clunky and silly was to encourage people to rely on it as little as possible and rely on roleplay instead.Surgo wrote:Wasn't this sort of what they tried to do with One World By Night? Of course, that was basically the most terrible idea ever and an epic failure in every way imaginable, but I think that's sort of the idea they had going anyway.shadzar wrote:imagine if they took the TT and then designed this con system where in the early days of the net you could track your character across all the players of WW games and follow a giant over arching story
The "big" Vampire LARP organization is and to one extent or another continues to be The Camarilla, named for the main organization of vampires in Masquerade. It was originally a sanctioned but independent organization, which WW treated as a "Fan Club". WW bought them out at one point and everyone has regretted that since, as White Wolf got a floundering, poorly funded organization and the members got the offical metaplot stuffed into their campaigns whether they liked it or not.
From what I have heard One World By Night was founded by people who broke off from the Cam to start their own organizaton. While there are many, many reasons to not want to do business with the Cam, that doesn't mean they're much better. I have had dealings with both, they are both highly cliquish and and full of assholes, with people of higher rank who love to wag their dicks in your face. They're like High School lunch with tophats and fake fangs. Of course, this is exactly how Camarilla politics are portrayed in the game, but I got out of larping because I got sick of dealing with that.
They both wanted to create a worldwide network of campaigns, and from what I've been given to understand that part worked. An approved character in one venue was pretty much guaranteed to be allowed in another. You just had to then deal with the people in your new location.
I was aware of most of the other aspects, but hadn't heard of Gamer Zero - mind cluing me in?CCarter wrote:*major customer relations mismanagement (Gamer Zero, the 'clouds across the sky' article)
Holy shit.Winnah wrote:Exalted's Most Mature Content (A Mature Article) For Matures Only. Link to Something Awful's WTF D&D!? column. NSFW because of Exalted content.
Actually, if we leave out the child tongue-rape, I'd totally be down for playing Exalted with a chick I know from the college... It's kind of like Vampire for even kinkier, fucked up people.TheFlatline wrote:Holy shit.Winnah wrote:Exalted's Most Mature Content (A Mature Article) For Matures Only. Link to Something Awful's WTF D&D!? column. NSFW because of Exalted content.
I thought the Bali book was in bad taste...
Who actually wants to *play* this shit?
Okay yes if you strip out the rape, rape ghosts, 12 year old rape phylactery and the casual boring rape castle there's some interesting ideas here and there. But this isn't "mature", this is "I'm 14 and fucked up from hormones and probably something else too."Prak_Anima wrote:Actually, if we leave out the child tongue-rape, I'd totally be down for playing Exalted with a chick I know from the college... It's kind of like Vampire for even kinkier, fucked up people.TheFlatline wrote:Holy shit.Winnah wrote:Exalted's Most Mature Content (A Mature Article) For Matures Only. Link to Something Awful's WTF D&D!? column. NSFW because of Exalted content.
I thought the Bali book was in bad taste...
Who actually wants to *play* this shit?
. http://www.youtube.com/user/GamerZer0 .FrankTrollman wrote:Gamer Zero was the posting name of Mike Lescault, who along with Scott Rouse seemed to have the job of telling the public about WotC's terrible decisions. So he was the one who gave the interview where they said that the GSL was going to be incompatible with the OGL and revocable at any time, for example. He said a lot of things that made people really mad, but of course his job as herald for a company that was actually doing things that were necessarily going to make people really mad made that somewhat inevitable.
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. http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/ ... Exclusives .My job is to try and manage all of this so that we're taking care of the entire community the best we can. In some cases, this might mean finding something exclusive for ENWorld. (and while Morrus may be technically correct about exclusives, I intentionally didn't promote the D&D XP interviews with Gerdie and Liz on any of our pages or forums because I wanted ENWorld to carry the story, since it was their folks who were kind enough to sit down and talk to GRZ on camera) In other cases, it may mean picking up a poking stick and walking around the office poking people to remind them that the whole of the RPG doesn't live exclusively on ENWorld, and that we need to support our entire community.
i think me an Z gave Mike hell for being a puppet and useless and full of lies (and Morrus of ENWorld too!). he really was just a commercial for 4th edition and leader of 4th edition fanboys until his departure from WotC. now like the creator of Wormy comic, he is nowhere to be found....Zherog wrote:Here's an example of WotC staff running to ENWorld rather than posting here:
When it was announced that the magazine license was not being renewed with Paizo, WotC staffers chose to post on ENWorld well before they posted here. It didn't seem to matter that the community here wanted answers, wanted to vent, had questions, and so on. Bill S (and probably others) opted to go to another site, rather than supporting their own site.
I'm certain there've been other instances, but I don't recall them specifically.
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I wouldn't even go that far. There are some mediocre ideas, but it really comes down to White Wolf wanting some of that sweet D&D money, so they wrote a Typical Fantasy Setting, and then injected a ton of anime into it, including some of the really bad parts of anime, ie, lolicon and monster rape. And the only part which I strongly object to showing up in a game I play is the lolicon. If she wants to have rape ghosts and lunar intermorphic shenanigans going on, it's a game, I'm personally ok with playing in a game which includes those things (hell, I floated the idea of playing a Lunar by her, and she's cool with it).TheFlatline wrote:Okay yes if you strip out the rape, rape ghosts, 12 year old rape phylactery and the casual boring rape castle there's some interesting ideas here and there. But this isn't "mature", this is "I'm 14 and fucked up from hormones and probably something else too."Prak_Anima wrote:Actually, if we leave out the child tongue-rape, I'd totally be down for playing Exalted with a chick I know from the college... It's kind of like Vampire for even kinkier, fucked up people.TheFlatline wrote:
Holy shit.
I thought the Bali book was in bad taste...
Who actually wants to *play* this shit?
Huh. I can see the merit of having a mouthpiece for the company who cultivates a "just yer average gamer" persona, but at the same time I can't help thinking that you want that sort of person to be giving out stuff that people can get hyped for, not wheeling out the bad news - particularly news bad enough that it's going to cause a stink whoever says it.FrankTrollman wrote:Gamer Zero was the posting name of Mike Lescault, who along with Scott Rouse seemed to have the job of telling the public about WotC's terrible decisions.
Bruce wrote that shit? Yeah, why didn't they fire him sooner?Lago PARANOIA wrote:While we're on the subject, I don't see why OGL was a fuckup in of itself.