Favorite Deities

[Ancient History]

Evil thought: Blibdoolpoolp attempts to increase her divine powers by tying her cup size to the number of followers she has. The idols and images of the goddess reflect this in real time.

[Username17]

Even Dungeons & Dragons stopped pretending to give a shit about Blibdoolpoolp. Or pretending that Kuo Toa aren't Deep Ones for that matter. In later versions, they just worship Dagon.

-Username17

[icyshadowlord]

Evil thought: Blibdoolpoolp attempts to increase her divine powers by tying her cup size to the number of followers she has. The idols and images of the goddess reflect this in real time.

I might as well save this for later, since I thought that the more prudish part of the clergy might consider this new dogma to be heresy.

[Ancient History]

Heh. The Itty Bitty Titty Committee as a religious schism.

[Ghremdal]

In settings where gods are "real" and grant spells/miracles on a regular basis, how do atheists function? Are there any at all?

All I can recall from any fantasy fiction (aside from Prachett) is from Mask of the Betrayer where they end up in the Wall for all eternity. Which is arguably the worst afterlife of them all, as even CE folk get to be demons.

[Ancient History]

Athiests don't think they're gods - just Sufficiently Advanced Aliens, Elder Race, or Dragon Kings tied to Elemental Vortices. It means making some basic assumptions about what a god is and can do, but basically athiests argue that "gods" are not omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, or morally superior and they can theoretically be killed, so what the fuck good are they?

[icyshadowlord]

Atheists didn't get put in a wall or anything in the Golarion / Pathfinder cosmology. What they did get to do is something I don't remember.

[Username17]

D&D cosmologies routinely conflate not having a patron god with not believing the gods are real. You can believe that Asmodeus is a real person with real powers and not pray to him on a regular basis. I personally believe that Haile Selassie I was a real person and an actual emperor of Ethiopia until 1974. I've seen pictures and believe he had real powers as emperor. But... I don't worship him.

-Username17

[Ancient History]

"We think he was a very well-programmed robot, but not our savior."

[fbmf]

Athiests don't think they're gods - just Sufficiently Advanced Aliens, Elder Race, or Dragon Kings tied to Elemental Vortices. It means making some basic assumptions about what a god is and can do, but basically athiests argue that "gods" are not omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, or morally superior and they can theoretically be killed, so what the fuck good are they?

Shhhhhh...don't let Kaelik hear you.

He's convinced characters in-game can sense divine ranks and therefore know if something is a god based on that. Ergo, in Kaelik's game world, there can be no atheists.

Game On,
fbmf

[Ancient History]

In my game, Pseudo-Kaelik is getting trapped in the Source Wall.

[Voss]

St. Cuthbert and Vecna were both literally created to troll players.

-Username17

Wait, really? Elaborate please. Especially the former.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Cuth ... 6_Dragons)

In 1972, when Gary Gygax began to playtest the new "Fantasy Game" that he and Dave Arneson would eventually develop into Dungeons & Dragons, using the dungeons underneath Castle Greyhawk, he did not have an organized religion. Since his campaign was largely built around the needs of lower-level characters, he didn't think specific deities were necessary, since direct interaction between a god and a low-level character was very unlikely. However, some of the players wanted a specific deity so that cleric characters could receive their powers from someone less ambiguous than "the gods". Gygax, with tongue in cheek, created two gods: St. Cuthbert—who brought non-believers around to his point of view with whacks of his cudgel[1] —and Pholtus, whose fanatical followers refused to believe that any other gods existed.

Basically gods=blind fanaticism and beatings.


Vecna is pretty straightforward, since the main thing for Vecna was the artifacts that offer PCs an opportunity to mutilate themselves to mount artifacts that were specifically designed to screw them.

[OgreBattle]

Does D&D basically follow a Hindu cosmology?

[Username17]

Does D&D basically follow a Hindu cosmology?

The major difference is that individual people and priests aren't supposed to have shrines to multiple gods, martys, and saints. Even in "monotheist" faiths like Christianity and Islam, that's weird.

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In Hinduism, it's really weird.

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-Username17

[fectin]

Nitpick: Christianity distinguishes between veneration and worship.

[Username17]

Nitpick: Christianity distinguishes between veneration and worship.

But Christians don't.

The veneration/worship thing is a semantic game that Christian apologists play with themselves to claim that they aren't breaking the commandment against graven images. But they totally really obviously are, and Christian sects that really care about that commandment have no problem declaring Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy apostate over the practice.

-Username17

[Starmaker]

Nitpick: Christianity distinguishes between veneration and worship.

Orthodox icon veneration worship whatever is particularly amusing. Basically, different physical representations of a single character (say, the Godmother) are effectively treated as separate entities. In the middle ages people would punish enemy icons (or unhelpful miracleworker icons of their own) by turning them to face the wall, removing them from the altar, locking them up in dungeons, etc.

Some Godmothers and their specialties:
Protection from fire
Alcohol and drug abuse
Childbirth
Missing limbs

[fectin]

Sure, it's semantics. Specifically, it's different words, with different meanings, describing different behaviors, and carrying different implications.

Arguing that Seventh Day Adventists are all too eager to speak from ignorance doesn't really prove much.

[Prak]

In settings where gods are "real" and grant spells/miracles on a regular basis, how do atheists function? Are there any at all?

All I can recall from any fantasy fiction (aside from Prachett) is from Mask of the Betrayer where they end up in the Wall for all eternity. Which is arguably the worst afterlife of them all, as even CE folk get to be demons.

There are a few ways to handle such. I personally prefer to have "atheist" meaning someone who is not delusional, and thus knows that beings called gods clearly exist, but rather simply has decided they are not worthy of worship. Or the Pratchett track where believing in gods is like believing in tables, it just encourages them.

[RadiantPhoenix]

Heh. The Itty Bitty Titty Committee as a religious schism.

I feel like pointing out that some people (such as myself) aren't into enormous mammaries. (Someone else came up with the phrase, "more than a handfull is a waste")

[Username17]

Sure, it's semantics. Specifically, it's different words, with different meanings, describing different behaviors, and carrying different implications.

Arguing that Seventh Day Adventists are all too eager to speak from ignorance doesn't really prove much.

Actual Catholics do not, by and large, even know the words latria and dulia. Chrome does not even recognize those as being actual words. There is no physical difference between an icon and idol. They are both representative statues that people bow to.

There is no difference to an outside observer when someone is giving "veneration" to an icon from when they are giving "adoration" to their god. Most tellingly, there is no difference to an outside observer using functional MRI. When we say that people worshiping icons of saints and worshiping gods is exactly the same, we mean it's literally exactly the same. Like, uses the same neural pathways and everything.

Sometimes semantic differences denote real differences. This is not the case with the semantic bullshit that Christian sects babble out to simultaneously claim that they only have one god and that their temples are filled with saints and angels and shit. In this case it really is just simple hypocrisy held together with cognitive dissonance. The Calvinists and Iconoclasts are "right" in this instance. The Catholic and Orthodox justifications for their many religious statues in light of their own commandment not to make religious statues do not make sense.

Now, I certainly wouldn't commit to the Iconoclast claim that worshiping without images is somehow "better". But they are 100% right that doing otherwise is inconsistent with biblical teachings on the matter. If you were really concerned about that sort of thing, the iconoclasts are the orthodox and the Catholics and Orthodox are the heretics. That's real clear.

-Username17

[Ghremdal]

In settings where gods are "real" and grant spells/miracles on a regular basis, how do atheists function? Are there any at all?

All I can recall from any fantasy fiction (aside from Prachett) is from Mask of the Betrayer where they end up in the Wall for all eternity. Which is arguably the worst afterlife of them all, as even CE folk get to be demons.

There are a few ways to handle such. I personally prefer to have "atheist" meaning someone who is not delusional, and thus knows that beings called gods clearly exist, but rather simply has decided they are not worthy of worship. Or the Pratchett track where believing in gods is like believing in tables, it just encourages them.

Uuu I just got a good idea for a cult from your post on various -theisms. The antitheists know there are gods, but refuse to believe in them. However they think not believing will weaken and eventually destroy the gods, which naturally pisses off gods and their followers.

Depending on how your world handles belief/worship = power, they could be somewhere between comedic relief and a real religious cult.

[K]

3.x Forgotten Reams introduced the Wall of the Faithless where anyone who does not have a patron god goes, either because of atheism or ignorance. This is the source material used in Mask of the Betrayer.

If the Spellplague hadn't happened, this would be the most annoying change ever made to the Realms.

[Ancient History]

I'm pretty sure that was around back in the AD&D days. Still, as afterlifes go, I kinda like the idea of the Sourcewall.

[K]

I'm pretty sure that was around back in the AD&D days. Still, as afterlifes go, I kinda like the idea of the Sourcewall.

I'm pretty sure that it first gets mentioned in the Time of Troubles books/adventures that are the transitional material between 2e and 3e, but you might be right.