I'm going to have to agree with PoliteNewb here. That movie was shit.
Everything from the "fighting through all of America's wars" beginning to the "shooting Wolverine in the head will give him selective amnesia" ending was pure, unadulterated shit. That movie failed even as popcorn entertainment.
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Fighting through all of America's wars? Whuh?
It makes sense for Captain America to be doing so since, beyond just being specifically created for that purpose, he's also a military leader and had his own commando squad.
How the hell was Wolverine supposed to make a difference? He didn't have his adamantium skeleton at the time and I find it really hard to believe that the U.S. military would give him a commission or even accept his enlistment, what with being a filthy mutant and all. And didn't Stryker form Weapon X not too long ago according to the X-movie continuity? What the fuck was Wolverine doing then? Killing Germans just for shits and giggles?
It makes sense for Captain America to be doing so since, beyond just being specifically created for that purpose, he's also a military leader and had his own commando squad.
How the hell was Wolverine supposed to make a difference? He didn't have his adamantium skeleton at the time and I find it really hard to believe that the U.S. military would give him a commission or even accept his enlistment, what with being a filthy mutant and all. And didn't Stryker form Weapon X not too long ago according to the X-movie continuity? What the fuck was Wolverine doing then? Killing Germans just for shits and giggles?
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In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
1) Yeah, but he could still heal bullet wounds like a badass.Lago PARANOIA wrote:How the hell was Wolverine supposed to make a difference? He didn't have his adamantium skeleton at the time and I find it really hard to believe that the U.S. military would give him a commission or even accept his enlistment, what with being a filthy mutant and all. And didn't Stryker form Weapon X not too long ago according to the X-movie continuity? What the fuck was Wolverine doing then? Killing Germans just for shits and giggles?
2) Give you a hint, it starts with the civil war. They weren't exactly big on the whole mutant testing in those days.
3) Killing Germans. Killing More Germans. Killing Southerners. Ect. Just being a bulletproof badass.
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1R) That would be good if we were talking about personal survival, but as far as a war goes that's not very helpful.
Unless Wolverine decided to pick up a gun himself (the thought of which makes me go
) his rate of killing fools isn't going to be much better, if at all, than some plain-jane enlisted soldier.
2R) If Wolverine wasn't part of the military structure, then how did he know when to appear in the right place at the right time? If he WAS part of the military structure then why did they accept him? Granted, Wolverine's powers aren't as obvious as a lot of mutants, but he'd have to stay as a low-key enlisted soldier the whole war (which means no claws and hope no one sees him recover from a bullet) or we are seriously expected to believe that no one really cares that Wolverine is hanging out with G.Is.
Unless Wolverine decided to pick up a gun himself (the thought of which makes me go
) his rate of killing fools isn't going to be much better, if at all, than some plain-jane enlisted soldier.2R) If Wolverine wasn't part of the military structure, then how did he know when to appear in the right place at the right time? If he WAS part of the military structure then why did they accept him? Granted, Wolverine's powers aren't as obvious as a lot of mutants, but he'd have to stay as a low-key enlisted soldier the whole war (which means no claws and hope no one sees him recover from a bullet) or we are seriously expected to believe that no one really cares that Wolverine is hanging out with G.Is.
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
Yes Lago, he has a gun. Yes, he's part of the military. Yes, he just generally runs around being slightly more useful than your average military soldier, and not more useful.
What the Hell is your problem?
Why do you object to the possibility of Wolverine being in the military pre-weapon X? That's an explicit part of his fucking backstory in the the comics, that he has vague flashes of fighting in WWII, and that Captain America recognizes him.
What the Hell is your problem?
Why do you object to the possibility of Wolverine being in the military pre-weapon X? That's an explicit part of his fucking backstory in the the comics, that he has vague flashes of fighting in WWII, and that Captain America recognizes him.
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I agree with that problem.FrankTrollman wrote:My problem is that Wolverine is a fucking Canadian, so during the Civil War, he would have worn a Gray uniform for much of it if he fought at all.
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I'm not sure he was Canadian then, since he did kind of go through lots of fake identities, and end with hiding away in Canada with his girlfriend.
I think that might be his source of Canadianness. But maybe not. I don't keep that much track, so I have no idea what uniform he should wear, I just remember that at one point Captain America recognizes him because he fought in WWII as a relatively badass normal, and so it's not implausible for him to have just fought in the military as a guy who happens to be really lucky.
To be clear, I was pissed off about the fact that he fought his way through "America's Wars" because the point is that if he took it upon himself to make his living in war, he should have been finding wars that America had shit to do with, and joining them too.
And he should have been in WWI and II under a French or British or German banner, because if your fucking life is war, you don't wait until America decides to get involved, you goddam go find someone who is involved and create your new fake identity there.
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Yeah, in fact, if I recall, the way the comics have done it (at one point) Captain America didn't even know Logan was mutant until he got a dossier on him during the Civil War event (Marvel's, not ours) and was sent to bring him down/in. People seriously thought Logan was just a crazy, lucky bastard who could charge a nazi machine gun nest and survive. Hell, crazy shit like that has actually happened in wars.
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Some Canadians fought for the Confederacy; others fought for the Union.FrankTrollman wrote:My problem is that Wolverine is a fucking Canadian, so during the Civil War, he would have worn a Gray uniform for much of it if he fought at all.
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I would've thought that since he'd get 'killed' that he'd end up changing banners fairly frequently...Kaelik wrote:And he should have been in WWI and II under a French or British or German banner, because if your fucking life is war, you don't wait until America decides to get involved, you goddam go find someone who is involved and create your new fake identity there.
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Because it doesn't provide anything to his character development other than to provide dumb fanservice?Kaelik wrote:What the Hell is your problem?
Why do you object to the possibility of Wolverine being in the military pre-weapon X? That's an explicit part of his fucking backstory in the the comics, that he has vague flashes of fighting in WWII, and that Captain America recognizes him.
If Wolverine did something cool during that time like went with Captain America on his missions regularly or participated in a mission that stopped the Nazis from getting the atomic bomb or was part of the mission to assassinate Stonewall Jackson and make it look like an accident then it would be fine.
If Wolverine did do something important and cool during those time periods then I'll take my statement back. But as it is, it's like revealing that Darth Vader built C3P0 and then not doing anything with this reveal. I mean... why?
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
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Now THAT has the potential to be awesome.Cynic wrote: I think there have been stories about him and Cap taking part in missions to stop the nazis.
Got any stories like that?
Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.
Lago, you are dumb.Lago PARANOIA wrote:If Wolverine did do something important and cool during those time periods then I'll take my statement back. But as it is, it's like revealing that Darth Vader built C3P0 and then not doing anything with this reveal. I mean... why?
It was a 2 minute montage of 200 years. Of course nothing interesting happens when you give a character less than a second per day. That's why they blow through it in two minutes. Because nothing happened, and the plot requires some kind of lead in from "I just killed my father." to "And now I'm working for striker 200 years later."
You are complaining about fucking plot continuity now.
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The Watchmen movie has a similar montage that explains how the world with caped crusaders came to be, and it's anything but boring. Montages don't have to be stupid. But the one in Wolverine was.Kaelik wrote:
Lago, you are dumb.
It was a 2 minute montage of 200 years. Of course nothing interesting happens when you give a character less than a second per day. That's why they blow through it in two minutes. Because nothing happened, and the plot requires some kind of lead in from "I just killed my father." to "And now I'm working for striker 200 years later."
You are complaining about fucking plot continuity now.
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But the Watchmen movie was boring and utterly retarded.
While moore might be an idealistic wank who feels that he's been compromised too many times by his handlers, he is right when he says that his films aren't easily filmable.
Zack Snyder didn't really handle Watchmen well. Just keeping very true to the story doesn't do the film justice.
While moore might be an idealistic wank who feels that he's been compromised too many times by his handlers, he is right when he says that his films aren't easily filmable.
Zack Snyder didn't really handle Watchmen well. Just keeping very true to the story doesn't do the film justice.
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I couldn't finish watching the Watchmen movie because of the ramped-up violence. It was already pretty harsh on that front, and I didn't exactly need to see bones splintering out through skin and people getting their heads hacked open with cleavers to drive home the point that this was Gritty.
Changing some of the characters for no reason didn't help it win me over, either.
Whatsername, the first Silk Specter, was...well, I know a few old ladies like that. Despite her daughter having some resentment towards her, I could see she's human and warm enough that her daughter would maintain contact and visit and call.
In the movie, it's like she was at her peak in the 40's and never went past it. I kept expecting the screen to go the black-and-white and for her to tell someone how to whistle ("You put your lips together, and blow")
Rorschach's psychiatrist also suffered from this character inversion. In the comic, he was at least making the effort to try to be friendly, which makes his reaction to Roschach's history hit harder. In the movie, he was a half-step down from 'neutral' and that sort of killed the whole scene.
Changing some of the characters for no reason didn't help it win me over, either.
Whatsername, the first Silk Specter, was...well, I know a few old ladies like that. Despite her daughter having some resentment towards her, I could see she's human and warm enough that her daughter would maintain contact and visit and call.
In the movie, it's like she was at her peak in the 40's and never went past it. I kept expecting the screen to go the black-and-white and for her to tell someone how to whistle ("You put your lips together, and blow")
Rorschach's psychiatrist also suffered from this character inversion. In the comic, he was at least making the effort to try to be friendly, which makes his reaction to Roschach's history hit harder. In the movie, he was a half-step down from 'neutral' and that sort of killed the whole scene.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
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--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
Funny that. It didn't show the kidnapper burning to death in the comic. Rorschach set the place on fire and then walked out.Rather than putting the edge of a meat cleaver down into the guy's nose.Crissa wrote:The director has this whole spiel about how difficult it was to show the same level of violence that was in comics without being too obtuse or disgusting.
Remember, the comics is where the splinting and exploding people came from.
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Dr. Manhattan tends to explode people more...neatly, rather than leave a ton of bones hanging from a ceiling.
There's a throat-cutting or two, but no powersaws. When Nite Owl and the younger Silk Spectre trash the gang, they didn't go hyper-violent, and I was under the impression that the gang dudes were disabled and beat down with a variety of broken bones, rather than slain to a man.
They definitely ramped the violence up.
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!