The Gaming Den

RelentlessImp wrote:No mention of Wild ARMs XF? PSP, pretty fun take on the Wild ARMs series.

I didn't mention it because Count hasn't said what system he wants the games for.

Any PC specific rpgs that either have engaging gameplay or story, preferably both? I've played all the old school Baldur gates, neverwinter nights, and stuff along with the newer rehashes like pillars and tyranny. I am not going to go through every rpg I've played but I'm always looking for more that I can sink what little leisure time I have into.

Pretty much any system that isn't too modern will be fine.

Okay

PS3:

Well excluding all the Disgaea ones that Koumei has mentioned:

Natural Doctrine: This game can be dead easy or very difficult depending how much you can exploit the not fully explained system. I personally like it but it rubs most the wrong way. Also it's on the PS4

Valkyria Chronicles: This game is awesome. It has a combination of real time and turn base elements. Scouts are kinda over powered in the game. It provide a very gradual and challenging experience throughout. It also is for PC and PS4.

Vandal Hearts: Flames of Judgment (download only). I don't know how good this one is but from what I hear it is okay at best.

Koumei wrote:Gladius is also on one of the Playstations, and it allows you to recruit a bear (named Zod) which is one of the strongest things you'll have for most of the game. That alone makes it great.

Yeah, there's a Heavy>Medium>Light>Heavy loop in the game and that means if you start as Ursula (a Medium) you basically win the entire first zone outright if you hire Zod (a Heavy) because Nordagh teams are generally all Mediums and Lights. And you will hire Zod, because he's a motherfucking bear named Zod.

Valens makes for a tougher start, but on the other hand he lets you start out by hiring an ass ton of Centurions. Centurions are hax because their Combo 2 attack is 100% accurate if you can master their easy quick time event. That's stupid OP because the whole Light>Heavy dynamic is built on the idea that the Lights can dodge Centurions, which they do not.

Mordheim or Bloodbowl video games any good?

MGuy wrote:Any PC specific rpgs that either have engaging gameplay or story, preferably both? I've played all the old school Baldur gates, neverwinter nights, and stuff along with the newer rehashes like pillars and tyranny. I am not going to go through every rpg I've played but I'm always looking for more that I can sink what little leisure time I have into.

I really want some of these, too. A lot of "RPGs" these days are either RPGMaker retro clones or have slow Souls-type combat. The only ones I can think of recommending right now aren't PC-specific - Kingdoms of Amalur and the Dragonball Xenoverse games, both of which have solid stories and good mechanics.

If you're into CYOA/VN-style RPGs, I highly recommend Academagia: The Making of Mages, though.

OgreBattle wrote:Mordheim or Bloodbowl video games any good?

Blood Bowl is alright. You can toggle between playing it with the game rules as on dice, or as some live event that is not good.

Mordheim is an outright disappointment. There is no way to play anything like the tabletop game. They took name identity, and made a meaningless combat and leveling system where the attributes and skills don't matter significantly.

OgreBattle wrote:Mordheim or Bloodbowl video games any good?

I got the mordheim game for free from a friend, have tried to play it a few times, and have never gotten hooked. (For reference, I really like the firaxis nu-xcom games, have no investment in the mordheim tabletop game, and have minimal investment in warhammer in general.)

My brother has Mordhiem (and does the steam family share) I've played it a bit and am generally not impressed with it. Better games in that genre out there.

Count, if forgot one for the PS2

Shaman King: power of spirit - This was a combination of SRPG and Fighting game. It was okay.

Koumei wrote:Nippon-Ichi are here to save the day:
-Disgaea 1 (PS2, PSP, Steam, NDS), I rate it good out of 5
-Disgaea 2 (PS2, PSP, Steam), I rate it perfect out of 5
-Phantom Brave (PS2, Steam?), I rate it okay I guess out of orange
-Makai Kingdom (PS2), I rate it Epsilon out of 5
-Disgaea 3 (PS3 and probably Vita?), I rate it excellent out of bread
-Disgaea 4 (PS3 and... Vita? Switch? Maybe PS4 as well?), I rate it excellent out of salmon
-Disgaea DD2 (PS3), I rate it a solid very good
-Disgaea 5 (PS4 and Switch), I haven't played this but it's probably great
-Soul Nomad & the World Eaters (PS2), I give it okay I guess

Suikoden Tactics (PS2) is pretty good too (and not by N1), if I recall correctly.

disgaea 5 may well be the best game in the series yet in terms of gameplay, though it's likely one of the worst in terms of storyline. the characters are mostly pretty derivative - killia is a horribly derivative dark and brooding protagonist, seraphina's gimmicks get boring REAL quick, zeroken is just completely annoying and his plot schtick is really lame shounen junk, christo is forgettable (which sucks considering who he turns out to be in the end...). the only remotely likable main characters imo are red magnus, who's at least kinda funny, and usalia, who's legitimately a good and well-designed character.

YMMV obviously (i liked phantom brave more than you did apparently! and yes it's on steam) but yeah. the gameplay is really well-developed and there is A LOT to do.

+1 to what Sunwitch.

Sunwitch wrote:i liked phantom brave more than you did apparently!

It does have a lot of things I like, but also a lot of things that were annoying. I found it worked best on an emulator because you could cheese the grind-dungeons with save states if you didn't just want to gain masses of XP and Mana in the traditional Titlist Rabbit Explosion Method.

Sunwitch wrote: disgaea 5 may well be the best game in the series yet in terms of gameplay, though it's likely one of the worst in terms of storyline.

I think you can make the claim more generically that each game is better in terms of gameplay than those that came before, and worse in terms of storyline.

Koumei wrote:

Sunwitch wrote:i liked phantom brave more than you did apparently!

It does have a lot of things I like, but also a lot of things that were annoying. I found it worked best on an emulator because you could cheese the grind-dungeons with save states if you didn't just want to gain masses of XP and Mana in the traditional Titlist Rabbit Explosion Method.

I mostly just did failure dungeons for leveling D:

Iduno wrote:

Sunwitch wrote: disgaea 5 may well be the best game in the series yet in terms of gameplay, though it's likely one of the worst in terms of storyline.

I think you can make the claim more generically that each game is better in terms of gameplay than those that came before, and worse in terms of storyline.

I think that Disgaea 4 had the best story and characters of the series.

Disgaea 2 actually gets my vote for the best characters and story.

It's 2 vs 4 to me. I lean 4. I like anti-climax.

Iduno wrote:

Sunwitch wrote: disgaea 5 may well be the best game in the series yet in terms of gameplay, though it's likely one of the worst in terms of storyline.

I think you can make the claim more generically that each game is better in terms of gameplay than those that came before, and worse in terms of storyline.

Fallout 2 though . .

Stahlseele wrote:

Iduno wrote:

Sunwitch wrote: disgaea 5 may well be the best game in the series yet in terms of gameplay, though it's likely one of the worst in terms of storyline.

I think you can make the claim more generically that each game is better in terms of gameplay than those that came before, and worse in terms of storyline.

Fallout 2 though . .

I meant for the Disgaea series.

Ah, my bad then.

This is hardly news, but... I fucking hate Nintendo. Smash the fuckers, wipe them up, shove them off the face of the earth. MASH THE DIRTY RED SCUM, KICK 'EM IN THE TEETH WHERE IT HURTS! KILL! KILL! KILL! THE FILTHY COMMUNIST BASTARDS, I HATE 'EM! I HATE 'EM! AAARGH! AAARGH!

I got a new Switch. I did not have my previous one. I couldn't do a data transfer, so I had to rely on the cloud backup nonsense. But Shia-surprise! the cloud backup doesn't apply to every game! I lost the saves and progress of over half my fucking games! All gone. Just... fuck Nintendo.

Why didn't you have your previous one?

It died. It was run over by a vintage Bentley (truly). Can you believe that that isn't covered by Nintendo's warranty?! Asshats. Had to buy a whole new system.