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An honest question

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:25 pm
by Hicks
In D&D 3.5, are targeted spells not involving an attack roll such as charm monster and spells that affect a specific number of targets within an area such as mass suggesstion subject to a miss chance when they target an opponent under the effects of blur, displacement, invisibility, or mirror image?

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:13 am
by Psychic Robot
EDIT: D'oh. I was thinking of blink.

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:22 am
by Username17
No. But if you have full concealment you can't target the guy at all unless you can touch them. Blur does nothing, Invisibility gives you full protection unless they get into melee and make a touch attack through your concealment. PHB, page 175.

-Username17

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:56 am
by Hicks
What if they can percieve through Blindsense or the Telepathy/Mindsight combo?

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:41 am
by Crissa
That would be another way to defeat invisibility, yes. But the sense needs to be targeting... For instance, scent usually isn't targeting, though tremorsense is.

-Crissa

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:51 pm
by Omen of Peace
Hicks wrote:What if they can percieve through Blindsense or the Telepathy/Mindsight combo?
If they're invisible, they still have total concealment so you can't target them (Tremorsense doesn't work either). Blindsight and Touchsight do work.

You could use stuff involving attack rolls (rays...), with a 50% miss chance - you'd target the square they're in.